[DisandDat]

Originally Posted by oscarBravo

You're envisaging a future society where everybody will be forced to undergo invasive surgery for tracking purposes.

Outside of tinfoil-hat paranoid fantasy land, that's not likely to happen.

No I'm not.

You will not be forced, however the alternatives will be so obstructive that most people will take this option. It is not just for tracking purposes, it will be used for banking, medical records, biometrics. Basically all your life history.

And heres another thing, has anyone noticed the number of "cell" masts which have been erected around the major cities.

[humanji]

Yes, because the people who own the land get a f*ck load of money for letting a mast be put on it.

[DisandDat]

Originally Posted by humanji

Yes, because the people who own the land get a f*ck load of money for letting a mast be put on it.

Yes, but why are they needed? To track rfid, thats why.

[Run_to_da_hills]

Originally Posted by humanji

That's still an RFID chip.

Next generation though.

Its predecessor the "Verichip" which is a dinosaur in comparison and looks like a valve from an old wireless!

[humanji]

Originally Posted by DisandDat

Yes, but why are they needed? To track rfid, thats why.

or maybe, just maybe, they're for mobile phones.

Originally Posted by Run_to_da_hills

Next generation though.

Yeah, but I'm saying that you're basing everything on the RFID chips being inserted into the head. You don't know what way technology is going and RFID chips can become useless the moment an alternative comes along.

[Run_to_da_hills]

Originally Posted by humanji

You don't know what way technology is going and RFID chips can become useless the moment an alternative comes along.

The only possible advancement I could forsee is a scaled down version of the GPS tracking device used for monitoring known paedophiles. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/se...ection.ukcrime

[STEVO B]

Originally Posted by oscarBravo

Almost missed this.

If the day comes when I have to choose whether to have an RFID chip implanted, I'll choose not to.

Problem solved.

I went to the banklink today to withdraw el casho. They said they had cancelled my card. Turns out the new debit card they sent out in the post a few months back, but which i havent been using (I stuck to the old standard card with no chip) is now the only card I can use to withdraw. Bear in mind i didnt ask for a debit card either.

Thats how the systems works, you got no choice if you want to play their game.

When the days comes when you are not allowed into Dunnes to buy food because you havent got an RFID chip implanted in the arm, what you gonna do?

[DisandDat]

Originally Posted by STEVO B

I went to the banklink today to withdraw el casho. They said they had cancelled my card. Turns out the new debit card they sent out in the post a few months back, but which i havent been using (I stuck to the old standard card with no chip) is now the only card I can use to withdraw. Bear in mind i didnt ask for a debit card either.

That is madness.

Originally Posted by STEVO B

When the days comes when you are not allowed into Dunnes to buy food because you havent got an RFID chip implanted in the arm, what you gonna do?

True, people have to stand up now, not later.

That is madness.

[meglome]

Lads not to interrupt this little paranoid back and forth but I can tell you there is no way I and most others would ever go along with having chips implanted so that would be the end of that. Politicians need to get elected and there's no way they'd chance this.

[meglome]

Originally Posted by STEVO B

I went to the banklink today to withdraw el casho. They said they had cancelled my card. Turns out the new debit card they sent out in the post a few months back, but which i havent been using (I stuck to the old standard card with no chip) is now the only card I can use to withdraw. Bear in mind i didnt ask for a debit card either.

So did you contact the bank and tell them you didn't want this new card? or did you just ignore it? Did you go to a different bank which didn't automatically send out these cards?

I don't have a debit card nor do I want one and I wouldn't accept one.

[Run_to_da_hills]

Originally Posted by meglome

Lads not to interrupt this little paranoid back and forth but I can tell you there is no way I and most others would ever go along with having chips implanted so that would be the end of that. Politicians need to get elected and there's no way they'd chance this.

What elected politicians? Ireland is only a puppet country. We have absolutly no controll over Euro finance and international security. What politician stud up when the RFID biometric passports were forced on our country since October 2006? NO ONE! we just sat back and accepted it and thought it was great because it illiminated the necessity of applying for a US visa!!!

Likewise you will soon not be permitted to board a boat or plane to the UK or travel in mainland europe without a RFID id card along with manditory thumb printing. We will be told that these cards are all for our benefit ie to "combat illegal immrgration" and "fighting terrorism".

In the US you will soon not be able to board an internal flight, drive a car or enter a federal building without the REAL ID card. So whose voting who into Government. Whose making up these rules. The very same powers that are forcing us to accept Biometric passports and RFID cards will be the same powers that will eventually force us to take their implantible chip in the "interests of global security" and "fighting terrorism".

[Kernel]

Originally Posted by Run_to_da_hills

What elected politicians? Ireland is only a puppet country. We have absolutly no controll over Euro finance and international security. What politician stud up when the RFID biometric passports were forced on our country since October 2006? NO ONE! we just sat back and accepted it and thought it was great because it illiminated the necessity of applying for a US visa!!!

Likewise you will soon not be permitted to board a boat or plane to the UK or travel in mainland europe without a RFID id card along with manditory thumb printing. We will be told that these cards are all for our benefit ie to "combat illegal immrgration" and "fighting terrorism".

In the US you will soon not be able to board an internal flight, drive a car or enter a federal building without the REAL ID card. So whose voting who into Government. Whose making up these rules. The very same powers that are forcing us to accept Biometric passports and RFID cards will be the same powers that will eventually force us to take their implantible chip in the "interests of global security" and "fighting terrorism".

You hit the nail right on the head there. Subtle changes.

Did the government of Ireland care when the people rejected the Nice Treaty? No, they forced another referendum to attempt to get the result they needed (and now they rejig things to push the EU constitution - I GUARANTEE this constitution will go through in the future). The people didn't know what they were voting for, they were mistaken... thanks Bertie.

Did the Bush administration care about the people when they used underhand tactics to steal the first presedential election from Gore?

Did Blair care when tens of thousands marched in protest against the illegal Iraq war which was pushed through on lies about WMDs (when everyone with any semblance of individual thought can see it was about resources)? Hell, Bush didn't even bother to go to congress to declare the war.

They'll do what they want. I think the plebs have already lost.

[Cantab.]

Originally Posted by Run_to_da_hills

Such as Hitachi's powder chip that has a 128-bit ROM that can store a unique 38-digit ID number. This chip is currently being incorporated into all Euro banknotes above the value of e20.


http://counterfeitdetector.blogspot....es-now-in.html

An incremental step in the direction of abolishing cash completely.

I'm sure if you bombarded those notes with enough electromagnetic energy at the right frequency, the contents of the RFID chip would be wiped instantly.

[Run_to_da_hills]

Originally Posted by Cantab.

An incremental step in the direction of abolishing cash completely.

I'm sure if you bombarded those notes with enough electromagnetic energy at the right frequency, the contents of the RFID chip would be wiped instantly.

Someone suggested nuking chipped banknotes in the microwave. The only problem is that newer RFID compatible ATMs and self service checkouts may not accept tamered banknotes and shops will have counterfeit detectors so you could be stuck with these notes

The frightening thing about RFID chipped banknotes is that a would be pickpocket could read the contence of a handbag or your pocket with a scanner before he dips his hand in. May sound far fetched but 10 years ago people would have thought the same about skimming atm machines. RFID frequency blocking wallets are already on the market. http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20061...ocking-wallet/

[DisandDat]

Originally Posted by Kernel

You hit the nail right on the head there. Subtle changes.

They'll do what they want. I think the plebs have already lost.

And the sad thing is, the plebs have no idea whats going on. They live on planet Good guy, where technology is only for their benefit. Its time they turned the TV off and educated themselves.

Originally Posted by Run_to_da_hills

The only problem is that newer RFID compatible ATMs and self service checkouts may not accept tamered banknotes and shops will have counterfeit detectors so you could be stuck with these notes

Great point. The net is tightening. All loopholes are being closed.

As for not accepting the chip, heres how the situation will work:

Fraud will be rampant (carousel fraud?) around the time of the finalisation of a cashless society. All large denomination notes will be taken out of circulation. We will have big drama on the news everyday, what can be done etc. We will have family's on TV who have taken the chip proclaiming the benefits. Then all as the people start to take the chip, all public buildings, hospitals will only accept chip holders. (see US where only real ID holders will only be allowed access). Then commercial enterprises will introduce these measures on a voluntary basis. When the acceptance rate is around 60%, they will proclaim the costs of cash/debit card and start adding vastly to the costs of goods sold to people without a chip.(see M50 toll bridge, €2 with rfid pass, €3 without). Then you will not be able to accept wages, pay bills, shop, travel without the chip.

I have left out a major trigger event to kick this off, such as a planned 9/11 kicked off a war on terror, which lead to massive unneeded security measures, biometrics, dna testing and general paranoia.