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Amazotheamazing · 07-12-2007, 14:54

In Ireland, an unmarried father has the right to apply for guardianship, custody and access of his child, even if he is unsuccessful in his application, he can still be made to pay maintainence for his child. Is this ok, or should every father automatically be a guardian of his child unless it can be shown he is unfit for the role?

Just curious to see what the response to this fairly straightforward question is on a mostly female section of boards.

Fruityfriends · 07-12-2007, 14:57

yes! i think they should have equal rights.. there just as much a parent as the mother.. it should be 50/50 each way..

Malteaser! · 07-12-2007, 15:58

I absolutely think that they should have equal rights, some of the stories that you hear of mothers keeping their children away from their dads are heartbreaking.

Why shouldn't they automatically become guardians of their own children?? It's just something I don't understand.

Pigletlover · 07-12-2007, 16:29

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Originally Posted by Malteaser!

I absolutely think that they should have equal rights, some of the stories that you hear of mothers keeping their children away from their dads are heartbreaking.

Why shouldn't they automatically become guardians of their own children?? It's just something I don't understand.

QFT

Mr. Presentable · 07-12-2007, 16:32

Both parents should have equal rights. But this should be in Politics - it is not a feminine issue.

**Xavi6** · 07-12-2007, 16:34

Of course they should. Case closed.

k-a-t-e · 07-12-2007, 16:35

Yes a father should have the same rights as a mother. It took both of them to create the child so there should be equal rights, responsibilities and ultimately 'feedback' from the child.

Lola123 · 07-12-2007, 16:38

Yeah, there should be equal rights, and if it's a case of who gets guardianship...then the kids should stay with the parent most capable of looking after them the best (and not just in monetary terms)

Crumble Froo · 07-12-2007, 16:40

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Originally Posted by Lola123

Yeah, there should be equal rights, and if it's a case of who gets guardianship...then the kids should stay with the parent most capable of looking after them the best (and not just in monetary terms)

but who gets to decide which parent is most capable of looking after the kid?

Nevyn · 07-12-2007, 16:44

guardianship is seperate from custody or joing custody.

GhostInTheRuins · 07-12-2007, 16:44

I could never understand why they didn't have equal rights.

Amazotheamazing · 07-12-2007, 17:21

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Originally Posted by nipplenuts

Both parents should have equal rights. But this should be in Politics - it is not a feminine issue.

I agree it is a political issue, but I was curious to see what a mostly female readership would think on the issue.

Malteaser! · 07-12-2007, 21:08

And they should most definately become guardians automatically when the child is born, all this ****e about them having to go to the court to become guardians is nonsense. I know its only a form they have to fill out and most fathers get it but the very fact that they have to do it is disgraceful!!

**Jules** · 07-12-2007, 22:44

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Originally Posted by nipplenuts

Both parents should have equal rights. But this should be in Politics - it is not a feminine issue.

/me rubs shiney Mod badge..... NOW......

Who says its just a political issue. If you are going to be like that it should also be in the parenting forum. And it is also very much a woman issues.

I would also like to say NO ONE LIKES A BACK SEAT MOD! behave or ill infract your bottom!

Peared · 07-12-2007, 23:56

Maybe in an ideal world. What about men who feck off when the woman gets pregnant, should he have equal rights? Or if he decided to come back after a year or two and takes a sudden interest in the child, should he have equal rights? Should rights be given for donation of sperm? And what about children born as a result of rape, should daddy have rights over baby then? The woman physically creates the child within her, the man does not and never will have that attatchment.

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Amazotheamazing Closed Account Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 7,955 Adverts \| Friends	Should a father have equal rights as a mother? In Ireland, an unmarried father has the right to apply for guardianship, custody and access of his child, even if he is unsuccessful in his application, he can still be made to pay maintainence for his child. Is this ok, or should every father automatically be a guardian of his child unless it can be shown he is unfit for the role? Just curious to see what the response to this fairly straightforward question is on a mostly female section of boards.

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Fruityfriends Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 8 Adverts \| Friends	hello yes! i think they should have equal rights.. there just as much a parent as the mother.. it should be 50/50 each way..

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07-12-2007, 15:58	#3
Malteaser! Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dublin Posts: 2,188 Adverts \| Friends	I absolutely think that they should have equal rights, some of the stories that you hear of mothers keeping their children away from their dads are heartbreaking. Why shouldn't they automatically become guardians of their own children?? It's just something I don't understand.

07-12-2007, 16:32	#5
Mr. Presentable Closed Account Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,312 Adverts \| Friends	Both parents should have equal rights. But this should be in Politics - it is not a feminine issue.

07-12-2007, 16:34	#6
Xavi6 Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Perth W.A. via D15 Posts: 38,828 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Aussie Rules Football	Of course they should. Case closed.

07-12-2007, 16:35	#7
k-a-t-e Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Galway, Ireland/Bury, England Posts: 70 Adverts \| Friends	Yes a father should have the same rights as a mother. It took both of them to create the child so there should be equal rights, responsibilities and ultimately 'feedback' from the child.

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Lola123 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dublin 15 Posts: 575 Adverts \| Friends	Yeah, there should be equal rights, and if it's a case of who gets guardianship...then the kids should stay with the parent most capable of looking after them the best (and not just in monetary terms)

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Nevyn Closed Account Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 42,870 Adverts \| Friends	guardianship is seperate from custody or joing custody.

07-12-2007, 16:44	#11
GhostInTheRuins Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,253 Adverts \| Friends	I could never understand why they didn't have equal rights.

07-12-2007, 21:08	#13
Malteaser! Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dublin Posts: 2,188 Adverts \| Friends	And they should most definately become guardians automatically when the child is born, all this ****e about them having to go to the court to become guardians is nonsense. I know its only a form they have to fill out and most fathers get it but the very fact that they have to do it is disgraceful!!

07-12-2007, 23:56	#15
Peared Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,147 Adverts \| Friends	Maybe in an ideal world. What about men who feck off when the woman gets pregnant, should he have equal rights? Or if he decided to come back after a year or two and takes a sudden interest in the child, should he have equal rights? Should rights be given for donation of sperm? And what about children born as a result of rape, should daddy have rights over baby then? The woman physically creates the child within her, the man does not and never will have that attatchment.