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Stercus Accidit · 11-11-2007, 14:27

Ok, I just got a 1911 and am very happy with it but there is a problem.

When the slide is not fully forward, a little "control rod" I'll call it, is depressed by the slide, preventing the hammer being released by the trigger, only when the slide is forward, is the rod allowed up, allowing the trigger to be operated.

Grand, but...

On my 1911, the slide has play when in the fully locked back position, enough so that the little rod is not fully depressed, and the hammer can be released, hitting the plastic cylinder inside!
And the hammer is in contact with it when the slide is released, scraping along it, a possible future problem.

Admittedly with not much force but there is a system in place to prevent this, but it does not work, because of this looseness.

Try it yourself with your 1911 to see if its the same, if you have one.

I could fix this by,
1: tightening the slide, How?
2: extending the little rod, How?
3: adding some material to the part that depresses the rod, again how?

The red circle is the tip of the rod.

The red is the length of slide that should depress the rod, the yellow is where it is allowed up to allow fireing.

I've also found a way to fix the problem where sometimes the slide will not lock back, I'll put that in a separate thread soon with pics if I can.

Masada · 11-11-2007, 14:39

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Originally Posted by Motosam

Ok, I just got a 1911 and am very happy with it but there is a problem.

When the slide is not fully forward, a little "control rod" I'll call it, is depressed by the slide, preventing the hammer being released by the trigger, only when the slide is forward, is the rod allowed up, allowing the trigger to be operated.

Grand, but...

On my 1911, the slide has play when in the fully locked back position, enough so that the little rod is not fully depressed, and the hammer can be released, hitting the plastic cylinder inside!
And the hammer is in contact with it when the slide is released, scraping along it, a possible future problem.

Admittedly with not much force but there is a system in place to prevent this, but it does not work, because of this looseness.

Try it yourself with your 1911 to see if its the same, if you have one.

I could fix this by,
1: tightening the slide, How?
2: extending the little rod, How?
3: adding some material to the part that depresses the rod, again how?

I've also found a way to fix the problem where sometimes the slide will not lock back, I'll put that in a separate thread soon with pics if I can.

I had a similar problem with my M9 and it turned out that the tip of that thing you mentioned was slightly bent in, the bit that meets the slide so wasnt being pressed down as much as it should, i squeesed it with a vise grip and then it was perfect.,
then i broke something else on it lastnight.,lol

its the silver part on the end of this arm, the plyers is covering the bent bit., im not sure how similar this will be to the M1911 but might help,

Stercus Accidit · 11-11-2007, 14:55

Added pics

Masada · 11-11-2007, 15:27

it could be that the slide is lifting off the slide rail only slightly, just enough to let the trigger engage., from the pics it doesnt look like theres any damage to it and it looks to be the correct shape., If it is the slade comming up off the rail you can fix that in a vice with softjaws by compressing it very slightly little bit at a time.,

Stercus Accidit · 11-11-2007, 15:31

Yes its an issue with the loose slide.

That sounds like a dangerous option, I may increase friction and f up the gun too.

I've read about that method for real steel, but this is cast metal, and may break.

Masada · 11-11-2007, 15:40

thats why i say little bit at a time., i would be very careful with it aswell but you dont just clamp i in and turn, you need to really pay atention to it and take it out every couple of milileters to see if its fitting any better,.,

Stercus Accidit · 11-11-2007, 15:45

Compress the slide or rails?

The slide isnt coming off the rails, its just able to rise enough to disengage the rod in the trigger unit.

I think you meant the slide was not on correctly, it is, but up just a bit too high off the frame.

I may leave it as is, the trigger is recocked when the slide moves forward anyway, its just an annoyance for now, It shouldnt damage the cylinder if lubricated.

A preferable solution would be to extend the rod, crimping it would work but is risking further damage.

Masada · 11-11-2007, 16:46

to be honest, it could completely mess it up if you try to extend the little arm., it would be pretty fiddley.,
what i ment by compressing the slide was that in some cases the slide isnt tight enough on the frame and theres a little play in it, that allows it to lift the slide slightly., I havent stripped down a 1911 yet so cant say anything for definate but ws just a sugestion for you to try, .,

Stercus Accidit · 11-11-2007, 17:06

Horizontally there is no play.

But vertically, its possible to lift the slide slightly up.

By compressing the slide, do you mean horizontally, as its tight that way already.

11-11-2007, 14:27	#1
Stercus Accidit Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 8,277 Adverts \| Friends	We 1911 Ok, I just got a 1911 and am very happy with it but there is a problem. When the slide is not fully forward, a little "control rod" I'll call it, is depressed by the slide, preventing the hammer being released by the trigger, only when the slide is forward, is the rod allowed up, allowing the trigger to be operated. Grand, but... On my 1911, the slide has play when in the fully locked back position, enough so that the little rod is not fully depressed, and the hammer can be released, hitting the plastic cylinder inside! And the hammer is in contact with it when the slide is released, scraping along it, a possible future problem. Admittedly with not much force but there is a system in place to prevent this, but it does not work, because of this looseness. Try it yourself with your 1911 to see if its the same, if you have one. I could fix this by, 1: tightening the slide, How? 2: extending the little rod, How? 3: adding some material to the part that depresses the rod, again how? The red circle is the tip of the rod. The red is the length of slide that should depress the rod, the yellow is where it is allowed up to allow fireing. I've also found a way to fix the problem where sometimes the slide will not lock back, I'll put that in a separate thread soon with pics if I can. Last edited by Stercus Accidit; 11-11-2007 at 14:52.

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11-11-2007, 14:55	#3
Stercus Accidit Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 8,277 Adverts \| Friends	Added pics

11-11-2007, 15:27	#4
Masada Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Buzzin in me EEiga, Stall eh & Keep Sketch... Posts: 10,732 Adverts \| Friends	it could be that the slide is lifting off the slide rail only slightly, just enough to let the trigger engage., from the pics it doesnt look like theres any damage to it and it looks to be the correct shape., If it is the slade comming up off the rail you can fix that in a vice with softjaws by compressing it very slightly little bit at a time.,

11-11-2007, 15:31	#5
Stercus Accidit Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 8,277 Adverts \| Friends	Yes its an issue with the loose slide. That sounds like a dangerous option, I may increase friction and f up the gun too. I've read about that method for real steel, but this is cast metal, and may break.

11-11-2007, 15:40	#6
Masada Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Buzzin in me EEiga, Stall eh & Keep Sketch... Posts: 10,732 Adverts \| Friends	thats why i say little bit at a time., i would be very careful with it aswell but you dont just clamp i in and turn, you need to really pay atention to it and take it out every couple of milileters to see if its fitting any better,.,

11-11-2007, 15:45	#7
Stercus Accidit Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 8,277 Adverts \| Friends	Compress the slide or rails? The slide isnt coming off the rails, its just able to rise enough to disengage the rod in the trigger unit. I think you meant the slide was not on correctly, it is, but up just a bit too high off the frame. I may leave it as is, the trigger is recocked when the slide moves forward anyway, its just an annoyance for now, It shouldnt damage the cylinder if lubricated. A preferable solution would be to extend the rod, crimping it would work but is risking further damage.

11-11-2007, 16:46	#8
Masada Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Buzzin in me EEiga, Stall eh & Keep Sketch... Posts: 10,732 Adverts \| Friends	to be honest, it could completely mess it up if you try to extend the little arm., it would be pretty fiddley., what i ment by compressing the slide was that in some cases the slide isnt tight enough on the frame and theres a little play in it, that allows it to lift the slide slightly., I havent stripped down a 1911 yet so cant say anything for definate but ws just a sugestion for you to try, .,

11-11-2007, 17:06	#9
Stercus Accidit Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dublin Posts: 8,277 Adverts \| Friends	Horizontally there is no play. But vertically, its possible to lift the slide slightly up. By compressing the slide, do you mean horizontally, as its tight that way already.