[fishdog]

But I must admit I do sometimes fall foul of the shiny gun syndrome

No sh!t Pat really?? You ???Never !

[packas]

Originally Posted by fishdog

No sh!t Pat really?? You ???Never !

Bling bling baby. Hey, I ain't a world class shooter but with my pimped 40 cal & my cool D shoot pants at least I'll look the part.

With your new purchase I do beleive you've fallen foul of the dreaded shiny gun syndrome too. Will you be posing with it at the Kells match on 20th Oct?

[oldzed]

well the pimp my slide crew are back in form.
1 .macnas and cantona may have shot the euros , but they didnt shoot a single production qualifier and I cant remember them shooting any production matches this year , however I have seen macnas shoot production before
2 we were talking guns not shooters, but like everything else posted on boards it drifts instantly
3 nearly bought an lda but then the sig came out , still think the sig is a better gun
4 gerri , the post was on guns not ability,i never mentioned a result in any competition, I never said glocks could not shoot ,they can but i still dont like them . finishing 0.9% behind dvs does not send me to bed crying , he is a good shot and getting better the whole time , he has beaten me in the past and will again in the future and I hope I will beat him again too . getting beat spurs you on to improve,will i run out and buy a glock- no

now thats me done , to the original question cz or glock , I vote cz , ( but if the capacity drops to 15 then the smith and wessons can come back and the sig 226 express is a runner again and the fnh and the new armalites are in the running and the xda and m and p .............................

buy something and get started , look long and hard at everything out there then go for what you want based on the competitions you are going to shoot ,your budget and the size of your hand . then stick with it .

these views are zeds only , they are not binding or will not guarantee you ever win anything , you may lose your home if you dont pay for it , new guns will be made , zed still wont like plastic ones .and more shooters will turn away from bling and shoot production because the shootings cheaper and the guns work..........

out

[macnas]

Chopper, stick to shootin your Para in standard, it's a far less controversial division than production.


also Many Thanks to the Hilltop lads for a very enjoyable shoot, I'm still having nightmares about drop-turners and bobbers.

[packas]

Originally Posted by oldzed

buy something and get started , look long and hard at everything out there then go for what you want based on the competitions you are going to shoot ,your budget and the size of your hand . then stick with it .

Very good point. If any new shooter takes anything from this post. This point should be it !!!

Originally Posted by oldzed

.....more shooters will turn away from bling and shoot production because the shootings cheaper and the guns work..........

Don't agree with this point however. There's plenty of bling in Production. Your gun for example is not cheap. It's definately "bling." It's as expensive as the most common gun in Standard Division (STI Edge). Neither are some of the sphinx pistols. But the beauty of production is you can go bling or not. It's your choice. The ammo for production is definately cheaper also. It's unfortunate but production division has become a battle ground for gun maunfactureres. Hopefully that will change & the focus will shift back to what production was designed for.

As Macnas says Standard Division is far less controversial. The focus in standard is all on the shooters & shooting & not the guns. The reason for this is that there's no restrictions on guns once the basic rules are met. Due to that all standard shooters guns are basically the same.

[oldzed]

Well macnas , I could not have written a script like this .
on examination of the stage results I have found that squad 4s results for stage 11 ( the long run ) were not entered, so 5 of us still have to have a stage entered , if I take off your stage 11 and dvs stage 11 it looks something like this

zed 749.8 match points. 137 A, 28 c, 4 d , 7 m 100%
macnas 675 match points 97 A. 54 C, 19 d , 6m , 3p 90%
dvs 640 match points 93 A , 54 C, 19d , 9m 85%

so by my reckoning I need around 86 match points out of stage 11 to win outright, you took 160 match points out of 11 with 136pts in 28.48 and dvs took 107 pts out with 112 in 32.03.
from what i remember , I shot that stage very well and only dropped 3 or 4 to c's but my time was not great . so on a guess id say i had a score of around 168 in around 40 seconds giving me a hit factor of around 4.8 and match points of between 120 and 150 so I reckon I took the match by somewhere between 34 and 54 points to spare ,
so take my medal off from around your neck and put it back in the box , I reckon you will have to make do with silver bling this time .
And gerry to answer your question , no I didnt . and always remember an average shooter with a very good gun will probably beat an average shooter with an average gun

[macnas]

Zed, I am wondering why you have directed your last post at me, I have reviewed my previous posts on this thread to see where I might have cast doubt on the fact that you were Top Dog, King of the Hill or King of production or whatever.
I do not know whether it is me, the second placed competitor or the match organisers that you are trying to embarrass but the onus is on the shooter to verify his scores during the course of the match, you should know this, you are a level 3 competitor. If a problem had been discovered on the day, that your squad had not shot the stage or your score sheets had been lost, you would have gotten the chance to shoot or reshoot the stage. You certainly would not have been allowed to enter your own scores from memory.
But if it's the medal you want, that's no problem and I will look forward to giving it to you personally at the next match. The day at Hilltop is what I'll hang on to, great stages, great weather and great burgers.

Chopper, buy a Glock and be happy!

[Gerri]

Originally Posted by oldzed

Well macnas , I could not have written a script like this .
on examination of the stage results I have found that squad 4s results for stage 11 ( the long run ) were not entered, so 5 of us still have to have a stage entered , if I take off your stage 11 and dvs stage 11 it looks something like this

zed 749.8 match points. 137 A, 28 c, 4 d , 7 m 100%
macnas 675 match points 97 A. 54 C, 19 d , 6m , 3p 90%
dvs 640 match points 93 A , 54 C, 19d , 9m 85%

so by my reckoning I need around 86 match points out of stage 11 to win outright, you took 160 match points out of 11 with 136pts in 28.48 and dvs took 107 pts out with 112 in 32.03.
from what i remember , I shot that stage very well and only dropped 3 or 4 to c's but my time was not great . so on a guess id say i had a score of around 168 in around 40 seconds giving me a hit factor of around 4.8 and match points of between 120 and 150 so I reckon I took the match by somewhere between 34 and 54 points to spare ,
so take my medal off from around your neck and put it back in the box , I reckon you will have to make do with silver bling this time .
And gerry to answer your question , no I didnt . and always remember an average shooter with a very good gun will probably beat an average shooter with an average gun

The match results say you finished 3rd behind a 15 round Glock so I am right. The results are the results and as Macnas said , you should have pointed out the error on the day. You did not, tough, the posted results stand. Seems like you are unable to accept defeat graciously, why not offer congratulations to the two lads who finished ahead of you? You are the only one whinging about the results but that's not new for you ,is it? Try to enjoy, it's a great sport.

[V Bull]

"the onus is on the shooter to verify his scores during the course of the match, you should know this, you are a level 3 competitor. If a problem had been discovered on the day, that your squad had not shot the stage or your score sheets had been lost, you would have gotten the chance to shoot or reshoot the stage. You certainly would not have been allowed to enter your own scores from memory." A QUOTE by Macnas.


Quite right Macnas, it is up to the shooter to confirm and verify ALL their scores and stages, that is also why there is a cooling off period of one hour to allow for objections, ommissions etc.

Hard luck Oldzed, but the scores should by right stand as they are.

P.S. I beleive that you have an X-5, fine tuned by MERKEL..........very pricie........ I prefer a good old Glock 17 myself.........they work a treat.

[HongKongPhooey]

P.S. I beleive that you have an X-5, fine tuned by MERKEL..........very pricie........ I prefer a good old Glock 17 myself.........they work a treat.[/QUOTE]


An X-5 tuned by Merkel, well well well, but I thought you weren't allowed to do this in Production division..... Surely a level 3 competitor and RO knows this?

[MortgageMan]

Guys what did the Sig X5 ever do to upset so many shooters ?

I know that shooters using them are starting to place in comps, could it be fear that the old reliable Glock won't be able to cope with the competition from now on.

Long live the X5.

[Gerri]

Oldzed
Can you confirm if your x-5 is tuned by Merkel as that is a serious allegation being made by V Bull?

[alan123]

I must get a pistol, it seems like such good sport. The comradery is admirable. And Oldzed, if you got merkel to tune your x5 shame on you! you know your groupings will be 1" when the trajectory is altered by the 1700fps muzzle velocity.

(am I in with the pistol guys now??)

[alan123]

And the next time you are talking to merkel, tell him I cant get UTV on my Sky Digital, he might be able to tune it.

[bunny shooter]

Originally Posted by alan123

I must get a pistol, it seems like such good sport. The comradery is admirable. And Oldzed, if you got merkel to tune your x5 shame on you! you know your groupings will be 1" when the trajectory is altered by the 1700fps muzzle velocity.

(am I in with the pistol guys now??)

TBH that's what happenz when you start target shooting and take it too seriously