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kdouglas · 01-03-2007, 01:10

how many times did they say "i haven't actually seen these guns"... lol

a very biased opinion there, but to be fair to them they were mainly talking about kids getting their hands on what sound like cheap springers, how many kids would be able to afford a 2-300 euro aeg?

the comment made about "they're completely illegal" was in relation to fireworks i think, again, why fireworks even came up in this is just ridiculous and is someone who is completely uninformed trying to scaremonger by making comparison's between fireworks which have caused many a child to end up in hospital and "bb" guns

davemcg: thanks for recording it, tried to setup my pc to rip the internet stream while i was out, but the stream kept dying

*CrazyRabbit* · 01-03-2007, 08:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdouglas

CrazyRabbit: care to post a copy of what you sent?

Didn't keep a copy. I was in a hurry and forgot. I just mentioned that it is a sport that is open to everyone regardless of age, race, sex, social background, weight or fitness. Mentioned the whole cross-border friendship building part as well. Pointed out a few of the misconceptions about airsoft.

etc.

Hardly a stunning piece of writing, but I think I got some good points across.

Ample Free ...? · 01-03-2007, 12:12

About the good publicity, i thought it'd be a good idea to try and get the Carlow Nationalist to retract the story or correct the mistakes. If they did it'd be a kick in the teeth for anyone against airsoft or bb guns in general.
i drafted an email but i figured i'd show it to you lot before i sent it any thoughts?

Dear Mr Coffey

My name is . I am writing to you with regard to the article titled
"Potentially lethal weapons openly on sale in Carlow " which was published on Wednesday, February 28, 2007.
I am primarily concerned about the following lines:

Bebe guns or Air Sport guns are illegal in Ireland

“These items are definitely illegal under the firearms and offensive weapons act. You need a licence to have them,” said a garda spokesperson.

The weapons, which are realistic replicas of firearms, can cause horrific or potentially fatal injures if used incorrectly.

The reason for my concern is the legitimacy of these statements. These BB guns assuming they have a muzzle velocity of 1 joule or less have been completely legal to own and transport since August 1st 2006. I understand that in normal circumstances there is no reson to doubt the word of a member of the Gardai, however this is not the first occurance of such a mistake on the part of the Gardai. Specifically an individual who had called the Gardai on a seperate matter was put in handcuffs and taken to the local Garda station for being in posession of a so called replica firearm. Subsequently upon discovering that this BB gun was not illegal he was released along with various apologies and brought home.
In relation to the potential hazards and dangers to using these BB guns they are no more dangerous than a hurl. Obviously there is the potential to abuse them, like there is the potential to abuse any other sports equipment, and use them for illegitimate reasons. As such I believe they should not be sold unregulated to anyone who just walks into a shop. This is a concern to many people who are involved in the sport of airsoft.

However the point of my email is that these errors in the article only serve to radicalize opinions on a legimate sport and create unnecessary oposition to its existance.
Obviously you have no good reason to believe me over a member of the Gardai, I only hope that following some closer inspection of the law and the capabilites of the BB guns that a these mistakes are corrected and a retraction on the part of the paper is made as soon as possible.

Yours Sincerly

Harekin · 01-03-2007, 12:52

Im just say this once, and once only. They are Airsoft guns. Not "bb guns" or "pellet guns". Call them what they are as this differenciates them from Airguns, etc. AIRSOFT GUNS!!

N.O.I.P. · 01-03-2007, 13:05

Thats a nice piece of work, you could also question them about thier discission to include the lines about the shop selling bongs, and ask them was this an attempt to suggest that there is a link between buying airsoft toys and smoking dope. If so (more then likely it wasn't but this could add weight to your arguement) then it is a liableous comment and the author and editor of the magazine could find themselves in court being sued for defamation of character.

I think the more lines of the article you can point to as being ill-informed predjudiced or downright offensive the better. That said we would probably generate more bad press by forcing the CN to print a retraction then we would if we just let the article die. I can't imagine anyone reading that rag

N.O.I.P. · 01-03-2007, 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harekin

Im just say this once, and once only. They are Airsoft guns. Not "bb guns" or "pellet guns". Call them what they are as this differenciates them from Airguns, etc. AIRSOFT GUNS!!

Calm down man take deep breaths, you and I might call them airsoft guns but plenty of others call them softair guns (google it and see how many hits you get) and while I do agree that they are definitely not pellet guns they can be considered BB guns as they do fire BBs, well psuedo BBs crushable plastic makes for miserable bearings

Skatedude · 01-03-2007, 13:20

Hi
I also sent an email similer to yours Ample, pointing out the inaccuracies of the article and the legality of airsoft, but i agree that the shop should not be selling to children.
I also metioned that i hoped they would consider a follow up article with corrections, but i somehow doubt it will happen, but you never know,
I saw keep sending in emails to the paper pointing out their mistakes and ask them to take a proper look at the sport

Voodoomelon · 01-03-2007, 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harekin

Im just say this once, and once only. They are Airsoft guns. Not "bb guns" or "pellet guns". Call them what they are as this differenciates them from Airguns, etc. AIRSOFT GUNS!!

I must agree also. It is very important to distinguish between airsoft guns and all others.

Airsoft guns are NOT bbguns, bbguns are typically pistols or rifles that exceed 450fps and fire .177 ball bearings, these are very much illegal without a firearms permit and to compare them to airsoft guns is only going to increase the confusion and incorrectly relate airsoft equipment with illegally held bbguns, which are the real "potentially harmful" weapons.

I never liked the term "pellet gun" either as it usually relates to bbguns like the G1000 and likes that fire .177 bearings.

**Dave!** · 01-03-2007, 17:12

We've had this discussion before... Airsoft guns fire BBs, so I don't see a problem with calling them BB guns. Air guns and pellet guns are different, though, and require a licence.

Mark_Sc · 01-03-2007, 17:28

I was trying to get through and just when it started ringing they stopped talking about it! What was they're problem. Small kids have access to knives at home but there few or no accidents involving small kids and knives. They cant blame the guns for this its the responcibility of the gunholder to keep it safe (which they will as small kids have a habbit of damaging expensive things that are hard to get ). + these people diddnt know what they were talking about. This is something we should bring up on the open mike(FM104 from 9:30-1:00am) they love to talk to us about airsoft.

generalmiaow · 01-03-2007, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveMcG

We've had this discussion before... Airsoft guns fire BBs, so I don't see a problem with calling them BB guns. Air guns and pellet guns are different, though, and require a licence.

True, and I know the discussion, but someone idly searching for "BB guns" on Wikipedia for example will get the article on what Americans call BB guns, which fire metal pellets. I would suggest using it with care.

cork1 · 01-03-2007, 20:35

these are total and utter assholes.i have no experience with airsoft YET! lets keep airsoft and get rid of all children from carlow.

by the way i was told bb means ball bearing so then they cant bb guns and as im posting ill say it again "assholes"

Spitfire666 · 01-03-2007, 20:42

BB is just a common name for spheres of that size. BB's are also in fishing. it does mean ball bearing but its also a size

Evolute · 01-03-2007, 21:18

Thats just them slaying Airsoft my god there so full of S**t obviously dont let young kids get at them. thats so stupid. What are they saying about the games too come on this is soooooo stupid i actually cant listen to it

ED E · 01-03-2007, 22:12

So its over? what was said, did you get the MP3?

If not maybe we can ask for a copy?

01-03-2007, 12:12	#78
Ample Free ...? Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Limbo Posts: 377 Adverts \| Friends	About the good publicity, i thought it'd be a good idea to try and get the Carlow Nationalist to retract the story or correct the mistakes. If they did it'd be a kick in the teeth for anyone against airsoft or bb guns in general. i drafted an email but i figured i'd show it to you lot before i sent it any thoughts? Dear Mr Coffey My name is . I am writing to you with regard to the article titled "Potentially lethal weapons openly on sale in Carlow " which was published on Wednesday, February 28, 2007. I am primarily concerned about the following lines: Bebe guns or Air Sport guns are illegal in Ireland “These items are definitely illegal under the firearms and offensive weapons act. You need a licence to have them,” said a garda spokesperson. The weapons, which are realistic replicas of firearms, can cause horrific or potentially fatal injures if used incorrectly. The reason for my concern is the legitimacy of these statements. These BB guns assuming they have a muzzle velocity of 1 joule or less have been completely legal to own and transport since August 1st 2006. I understand that in normal circumstances there is no reson to doubt the word of a member of the Gardai, however this is not the first occurance of such a mistake on the part of the Gardai. Specifically an individual who had called the Gardai on a seperate matter was put in handcuffs and taken to the local Garda station for being in posession of a so called replica firearm. Subsequently upon discovering that this BB gun was not illegal he was released along with various apologies and brought home. In relation to the potential hazards and dangers to using these BB guns they are no more dangerous than a hurl. Obviously there is the potential to abuse them, like there is the potential to abuse any other sports equipment, and use them for illegitimate reasons. As such I believe they should not be sold unregulated to anyone who just walks into a shop. This is a concern to many people who are involved in the sport of airsoft. However the point of my email is that these errors in the article only serve to radicalize opinions on a legimate sport and create unnecessary oposition to its existance. Obviously you have no good reason to believe me over a member of the Gardai, I only hope that following some closer inspection of the law and the capabilites of the BB guns that a these mistakes are corrected and a retraction on the part of the paper is made as soon as possible. Yours Sincerly Last edited by Ample Free ...?; 01-03-2007 at 12:16.

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cork1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: cork Posts: 428 Adverts \| Friends	these are total and utter assholes.i have no experience with airsoft YET! lets keep airsoft and get rid of all children from carlow. by the way i was told bb means ball bearing so then they cant bb guns and as im posting ill say it again "assholes" Last edited by cork1; 01-03-2007 at 20:38.

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01-03-2007, 01:10	#76
kdouglas Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,191 Adverts \| Friends	how many times did they say "i haven't actually seen these guns"... lol a very biased opinion there, but to be fair to them they were mainly talking about kids getting their hands on what sound like cheap springers, how many kids would be able to afford a 2-300 euro aeg? the comment made about "they're completely illegal" was in relation to fireworks i think, again, why fireworks even came up in this is just ridiculous and is someone who is completely uninformed trying to scaremonger by making comparison's between fireworks which have caused many a child to end up in hospital and "bb" guns davemcg: thanks for recording it, tried to setup my pc to rip the internet stream while i was out, but the stream kept dying

01-03-2007, 12:52	#79
Harekin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bray Posts: 957 Adverts \| Friends	Im just say this once, and once only. They are Airsoft guns. Not "bb guns" or "pellet guns". Call them what they are as this differenciates them from Airguns, etc. AIRSOFT GUNS!!

01-03-2007, 13:05	#80
N.O.I.P. Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,110 Adverts \| Friends	Thats a nice piece of work, you could also question them about thier discission to include the lines about the shop selling bongs, and ask them was this an attempt to suggest that there is a link between buying airsoft toys and smoking dope. If so (more then likely it wasn't but this could add weight to your arguement) then it is a liableous comment and the author and editor of the magazine could find themselves in court being sued for defamation of character. I think the more lines of the article you can point to as being ill-informed predjudiced or downright offensive the better. That said we would probably generate more bad press by forcing the CN to print a retraction then we would if we just let the article die. I can't imagine anyone reading that rag

01-03-2007, 13:20	#82
Skatedude Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 867 Adverts \| Friends	Hi I also sent an email similer to yours Ample, pointing out the inaccuracies of the article and the legality of airsoft, but i agree that the shop should not be selling to children. I also metioned that i hoped they would consider a follow up article with corrections, but i somehow doubt it will happen, but you never know, I saw keep sending in emails to the paper pointing out their mistakes and ask them to take a proper look at the sport

01-03-2007, 17:12	#84
Dave! Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tallaght, Dublin Posts: 27,969 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Non Drinkers Group	We've had this discussion before... Airsoft guns fire BBs, so I don't see a problem with calling them BB guns. Air guns and pellet guns are different, though, and require a licence.

01-03-2007, 17:28	#85
Mark_Sc Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 982 Adverts \| Friends	I was trying to get through and just when it started ringing they stopped talking about it! What was they're problem. Small kids have access to knives at home but there few or no accidents involving small kids and knives. They cant blame the guns for this its the responcibility of the gunholder to keep it safe (which they will as small kids have a habbit of damaging expensive things that are hard to get ). + these people diddnt know what they were talking about. This is something we should bring up on the open mike(FM104 from 9:30-1:00am) they love to talk to us about airsoft.

01-03-2007, 20:42	#88
Spitfire666 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: dublin/offaly Posts: 2,321 Adverts \| Friends	BB is just a common name for spheres of that size. BB's are also in fishing. it does mean ball bearing but its also a size

01-03-2007, 21:18	#89
Evolute Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: With pinky thinking of ways to take over the world Posts: 1,370 Adverts \| Friends	Thats just them slaying Airsoft my god there so full of S**t obviously dont let young kids get at them. thats so stupid. What are they saying about the games too come on this is soooooo stupid i actually cant listen to it

01-03-2007, 22:12	#90
ED E Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Churchtown, Dublin Posts: 10,892 Adverts \| Friends	So its over? what was said, did you get the MP3? If not maybe we can ask for a copy?