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**godtabh** · 16-11-2006, 22:51

I couldnt see your man who was getting but going by his
Mostafa Tabatabainejad he was of middel east origin and looks like he was singelled out. Pricks!

How long does it take to recover from something like that? After to first shock his voice seemed like nothing happened but after the second one you could hear in his voice that he was struggeling.

I wonder what will happen to the "cops" if anything

DemonOfTheFall · 16-11-2006, 23:06

In Soviet Russia, Police Attack You!

*Kintarō Hattori* · 16-11-2006, 23:10

In fairness we didn't see the beginning of the incident but looking at that it does look like a gross mishandling of the situation by the police. They repeatedly ordered him to stand up or he'd be tazered and in the end you can see two cops just carried him off anyway.
Why insist he stand up and when he couldn't tazer him repeatedly only to carry him away in the end?

seamus · 16-11-2006, 23:12

Ah, the American tax dollars at work. "Assume everyone's a terrorist until they kill themselves in the line of duty". Has vague similarities to Salem...

A bunch of students should have jumped the two guys, "peace officers" or otherwise, or at the very least attempted to remove the tasers from their hands. If they were the type of tasers which shoot the bolts (as opposed to the type you press against someone), then there's no way the officers could have turned around and use them on anyone, as they have arrowhead spikes which specifically embed and latch onto the skin.

There's no such thing as a non-lethal weapon, any any weapon should be the very last line of defence. If they had to drag him out of there by his ankles, it would have been a more appropriate response.

**The Real B-man** · 16-11-2006, 23:20

America tbh

johnnyrotten · 16-11-2006, 23:21

Stand Up For Fu€k$ Sake

**MrJoeSoap** · 16-11-2006, 23:33

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Stand Up For Fu€k$ Sake

Shall we taser you and ask you to stand up?

johnnyrotten · 16-11-2006, 23:34

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Shall we taser you and ask you to stand up?

You would'nt reach me from there.

Smellyirishman · 16-11-2006, 23:37

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Originally Posted by seamus

A bunch of students should have jumped the two guys, "peace officers" or otherwise, or at the very least attempted to remove the tasers from their hands.

That probably would have escalated the situation and given the officers reason for assault, I think they were doing enough by asking the guards to stop and by asking for the officers badge (which was ironically meet by "back off or you will get tazed).

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If they were the type of tasers which shoot the bolts (as opposed to the type you press against someone), then there's no way the officers could have turned around and use them on anyone, as they have arrowhead spikes which specifically embed and latch onto the skin.

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The officers used the "drive stun" setting in the Taser, which delivers a shock to a specific part of the body with the front of the Taser, Young said.

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In fairness we didn't see the beginning of the incident but looking at that it does look like a gross mishandling of the situation by the police.

Exactly, it's hard to judge exactly how "mishandled" the situation was when we don't see how it began. I doubt he said "OK, I will leave" and then they just started tazing him. The report say's he was leaving, then a guard took him by the arm, he shouted, cue escalation. Certainly an abuse of power by the end of the footage.

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But which part of "stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up" didn't he get?

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But according to a study published in the Lancet Medical Journal in 2001, a charge of three to five seconds can result in immobilization for five to 15 minutes, which would mean that Tabatabainejad could have been physically unable to stand when the officers demanded that he do so.

the_syco · 17-11-2006, 00:19

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Seems excessive all right.

But which part of "stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up" didn't he get?

Proberly the part that a 3 second shock will disable you for moving for up to 15 minutes...!

Hope the rent-a-cops get sacked.

**biko** · 17-11-2006, 02:37

Yeah, I guess you're tired after repeated muscle spasms. I wonder if these sec guys ever was tasered themselves. Some cops do it to see what it's like for themselves.

pvt. joker · 17-11-2006, 21:17

Let's clarify a few things:

#1: the "student" did not have an ID card. It's policy that you need ID to be in the library after hours. Student workers called campus police (who have the same authority as the LAPD)

#2: standard police tactics include first using verbal commands. If person does not respond, you up the level to pain compliance (taser, mace, pepper spray). This kid was asked to get up more than a few times, he refused and was tased.

#3: Tasing stuns you momentarily. It does not paralyze you. There's videos on youtube of police officers getting tased (in order to use a taser you have to be tased yourself). It's a split second jolt to knock you down. It's not pleasant for the millisecond, but it does not last past that time.

#4: the suspect was verbally and physically combative. The police tried to reason with him, he refused multiple times and was tased. I forwarded the video to 3 friends who are police officers and all three agreed that's the same thing that they would have done and it's what they're taught to do. Especially when dealing with a combative person.

Illkillya · 17-11-2006, 21:29

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Originally Posted by pvt. joker

Let's clarify a few things:

#1: the "student" did not have an ID card. It's policy that you need ID to be in the library after hours. Student workers called campus police (who have the same authority as the LAPD)

#2: standard police tactics include first using verbal commands. If person does not respond, you up the level to pain compliance (taser, mace, pepper spray). This kid was asked to get up more than a few times, he refused and was tased.

#3: Tasing stuns you momentarily. It does not paralyze you. There's videos on youtube of police officers getting tased (in order to use a taser you have to be tased yourself). It's a split second jolt to knock you down. It's not pleasant for the millisecond, but it does not last past that time.

#4: the suspect was verbally and physically combative. The police tried to reason with him, he refused multiple times and was tased. I forwarded the video to 3 friends who are police officers and all three agreed that's the same thing that they would have done and it's what they're taught to do. Especially when dealing with a combative person.

Sounds like youre garda friends are just appeasing you. Police are dealing with kids like this every second of the day, and there is a correct way of approaching it. If you don't see whats wrong with the actions of the police in this video then you need to educate yourself better.

Rb · 17-11-2006, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Illkillya

Sounds like youre garda friends are just appeasing you. Police are dealing with kids like this every second of the day, and there is a correct way of approaching it. If you don't see whats wrong with the actions of the police in this video then you need to educate yourself better.

Agree 100%.

Oh, and his friends aren't Gardaí...they're American Cops...

Illkillya · 17-11-2006, 21:31

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Agree 100%.

Oh, and his friends aren't Gardaí...they're American Cops...

That explains it

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16-11-2006, 22:51	#16
godtabh Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,332 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Engineering, The Wire	I couldnt see your man who was getting but going by his Mostafa Tabatabainejad he was of middel east origin and looks like he was singelled out. Pricks! How long does it take to recover from something like that? After to first shock his voice seemed like nothing happened but after the second one you could hear in his voice that he was struggeling. I wonder what will happen to the "cops" if anything

16-11-2006, 23:06	#17
DemonOfTheFall Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Shankill, Dublin Posts: 2,249 Adverts \| Friends	In Soviet Russia, Police Attack You!

16-11-2006, 23:10	#18
Kintarō Hattori All Round Nice Guy Join Date: May 2001 Location: Poland/Dublin these days! Been there so many times Posts: 10,695 Adverts \| Friends	In fairness we didn't see the beginning of the incident but looking at that it does look like a gross mishandling of the situation by the police. They repeatedly ordered him to stand up or he'd be tazered and in the end you can see two cops just carried him off anyway. Why insist he stand up and when he couldn't tazer him repeatedly only to carry him away in the end?

16-11-2006, 23:12	#19
seamus Dental Plan! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: :getName() Posts: 44,165 Adverts \| Friends	Ah, the American tax dollars at work. "Assume everyone's a terrorist until they kill themselves in the line of duty". Has vague similarities to Salem... A bunch of students should have jumped the two guys, "peace officers" or otherwise, or at the very least attempted to remove the tasers from their hands. If they were the type of tasers which shoot the bolts (as opposed to the type you press against someone), then there's no way the officers could have turned around and use them on anyone, as they have arrowhead spikes which specifically embed and latch onto the skin. There's no such thing as a non-lethal weapon, any any weapon should be the very last line of defence. If they had to drag him out of there by his ankles, it would have been a more appropriate response.

16-11-2006, 23:20	#20
The Real B-man Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Computer Says No Posts: 3,217 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Volunteerism	America tbh

16-11-2006, 23:21	#21
johnnyrotten Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North Dublin Posts: 3,311 Adverts \| Friends	Stand Up For Fu€k$ Sake

17-11-2006, 02:37	#26
biko Percolator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Galway City Posts: 36,717 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Blogs / Wikis / Social Networks, Galway City, Nordic, West, Motoring	Yeah, I guess you're tired after repeated muscle spasms. I wonder if these sec guys ever was tasered themselves. Some cops do it to see what it's like for themselves.

17-11-2006, 21:17	#27
pvt. joker Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ATX Posts: 571 Adverts \| Friends	Let's clarify a few things: #1: the "student" did not have an ID card. It's policy that you need ID to be in the library after hours. Student workers called campus police (who have the same authority as the LAPD) #2: standard police tactics include first using verbal commands. If person does not respond, you up the level to pain compliance (taser, mace, pepper spray). This kid was asked to get up more than a few times, he refused and was tased. #3: Tasing stuns you momentarily. It does not paralyze you. There's videos on youtube of police officers getting tased (in order to use a taser you have to be tased yourself). It's a split second jolt to knock you down. It's not pleasant for the millisecond, but it does not last past that time. #4: the suspect was verbally and physically combative. The police tried to reason with him, he refused multiple times and was tased. I forwarded the video to 3 friends who are police officers and all three agreed that's the same thing that they would have done and it's what they're taught to do. Especially when dealing with a combative person.