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25-09-2006, 21:09   #1
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Porn in ireland

I have a love/hate relationship with porn. On the one hand I think people should be allowed do whatever they want as long as everyone is agreeing, and this would include porn, but on the other hand I can't help but feel uncomfortable with porn. I do like it sometimes but there is a small part of me which feels it is wrong. I don't know why I feel that way cause I think I'm quite open minded!

The fact that I have that small "it's wrong" feeling kind of makes me even more interested in porn. I was listening to a podcast by an irish pornographer yesterday and I'm not sure if I feel disgust or if I admire him! A bit of both I think, and that bothers me.

Basically what I'm saying is that porn throws up lots of confusing emotions from deep inside of me!!

#1 Should porn be totally accepted if everyone involved is happy to do it / watch it / etc?
#2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???

I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it (searching on the internet, going into sex shops, etc.)
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25-09-2006, 22:05   #2
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Two questions

1- Who was the Irish pornographer?

2- What feckin Centras sell porn? (theres a difference between Ben Dover films and Max Power magazine in all fairness)

Ah porn, the great oul hypocritical form of entertainment. Its great stuff, as long as its not my daughter/sister/ other female relative involved. tbh we have often contemplated the idea of making our own pornos- imagine how much people in your locality would pay to see local girls theyve seen around the place getting lashed on camera. Yid make a mint, and i can think of a handful who would take part for a cut of lets say 300 euro.

Sorry for the crudeness and the more AH approach to a Huamanities thread, but Im drunk.
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If you go to sex dot ie and look at the second post you will see the podcast.

Every Centra sells porn!! Yeah it's softcore but the covers are very raunchy! You wouldn't know they are Playboy types just by glancing at their covers!!
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I would have difficulty considering FHM or Loaded as porn even 30 years ago not that I was looking back then, oh heck thats a lie - first saw Mayfair back when I was 8 or 9. As I hadnt hit puberty the tasteful images of nekkid ladies
meant nothing beyond the fact they looked pretty.

I don't have any confusion about the consumption of it. I'd just prefer that it knew its place, even a total athiest/liberal like me would like to know there are places low grade junk like Loaded is not going to be staring back at me so in that sense the rapid "soft-pornification" of society is at times uncomfortable.

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#1 Should porn be totally accepted if everyone involved is happy to do it / watch it / etc?
What do you define as porn. Technically that guy in Europe who let himself be eatten alive by another man while they video taped it was "porn". That is a bit different to two or three or four people having sex. That in turn is a bit different to a woman (or man) pleasuring himself.

You can't just say that "all porn" is acceptable or "no porn" is acceptable.

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#2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???
Its because most people have hang ups about sex, even those who claim they don't.

There are tons of reasons for these hang ups, and tons of hangups. Without knowing you I would have no idea what hang ups you possess, only that you do (like everyone) possess them.
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Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???
Society only legalised it in Ireland in the 90's, so I think it's safe to say "society" is somewhat responsible for the residual feeling of uncomfortableness.

Where actual "porn" is often classed as being degrading to women, I find what they write in Loaded/FHM etc degrading to men.
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#2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic.

I am.

Well, I dont pray, I dont go to mass, and until the recent furore Id have probably took 5 seconds to remember the popes name was Benedict, but at the same time I can never get this "ah! Catholicism! Unclean! Unclean!" attitude on boards. You would think the church had ever had an effect on your lives the way some here act. Someone born in the 40s and who lived under a Catholic government the Taliban modelled themselves on, hatred I can understand. But for those born in the 70s and 80s, who did a whopping 30 minutes per week of religion in school and went to mass less times than they went to the Med, tbh its childish.

Sorry Im gone off topic. HURRAH FOR PORNO!!!
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I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it (searching on the internet, going into sex shops, etc.)
Sex is an incredibly important factor in survival of the human race, just like eating and drinking are... why shouldn't it be sold next to sausage rolls and bottled water then?
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Yes, I know sex + eating + breathing + sleeping + shelter are vital.

I'm jsut saying there is something about seeing porn in my local shop which makes me mildly uncomfortable.

For the record I also think seeing chopped up animals is a bit wrong, and breathing smoke is a bit wrong, and eating junk food is a bit wrong... so I do have some issues with all the "vital" things in life...

Did you listen to the podcast? Did he make you admire him or disgust him????
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I would have difficulty considering FHM or Loaded as porn even 30 years ago
When your a kid with raging hormones even an argos catalog can seem like a pron mag.
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When your a kid with raging hormones even an argos catalog can seem like a pron mag.
You too ... the bathroom and shower section ... ummm
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When your a kid with raging hormones even an argos catalog can seem like a pron mag.
It doesn't change when you're older.
Mmmmm. Power tools.
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#1 Should porn be totally accepted if everyone involved is happy to do it / watch it / etc?
I think the inverse of that question is more telling.

Why shouldn't porn be totally accepted if....

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#2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???
Ignoring whether or not its messed up, the simple answer is that there is a conflict between evolution and environment.

The more complex answer involves determining which of these is more fitting to the current day and age.

There is no right answer.

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I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it (searching on the internet, going into sex shops, etc.)
Does it offend you that something you have no need for is on sale in a shop you frequent?

I'm not a parent. Why do I have to be subjected to things like nappies and soothers and the like being on sale in my local shop? Why can't they be put somewhere specialist where only the people looking for them can find it?

I also hate domesticism. I don't want cleaning products on sale where I buy my snack-food, frozen pizza, etc. They depress me and amke me feel bad that I'm not a cleaner person.

Do these sound like reasonable objections? If not, then how is yours different?

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Do these sound like reasonable objections? If not, then how is yours different?

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Yes I know I probably should not feel porn on sale in Centra is wrong, but I still feel that way. It bothers me that I feel that way! It's like I've been mildly brainwashed, and even though I don't want these feelings, I can't help but have them...
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Yes I know I probably should not feel porn on sale in Centra is wrong, but I still feel that way. It bothers me that I feel that way! It's like I've been mildly brainwashed, and even though I don't want these feelings, I can't help but have them...
I think part of the problem maybe the taboo that surrounds it is giving you the wrong idea about what most mainstream porn actually is.

Why don't you watch some porn. Normal (albet hardcore) stuff and see what it is all about. Its just sex after all. You can find a range of stuff on the internet

And it doesn't have to be weird or freaky stuff either. I don't know why but people seem to always think that all the porn produced is freaky SM bondage stuff or something like that. The vast majority, unless you go looking for the freaky stuff, is simply a man or woman (or 2 women and a man) having sex.

We all do that, we all know what is going on. These people just happen to be a lot better looking than us, and seem to be enjoying it a lot more

The majority of porn is actually hilariously bad, like a really cheesy American soap opera. Just with more sex.
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