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KdjaCL · 31-05-2006, 10:56

For all the abuse certain Portugese players and other foreign players for diving, i couldnt believe not many mentioned this from our very own err i mean Englands very own wonderboy.

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Former England skipper Terry Butcher has condemned Steven Gerrard for diving to win a penalty against Hungary.

Butcher told Five Live Sport: "It was never a penalty, Steve Gerrard dived," after replays showed Czabo Feher's challenge made no contact.

But former England striker Ian Wright refused to condemn Gerrard, saying: "Other teams will do it against us so why don't we do it?"

A Football Association spokesman said it had no comment to make.

Crystal Palace keeper Gabor Kiraly saved the resulting penalty from Frank Lampard in England's 3-1 win at Old Trafford, but Butcher said: "You can't give a penalty for that.

"Feher came in two-footed to win the ball and Gerrard took it to one side and then went down, there was no contact whatsoever.

"Had there been contact he would have been stretchered off as it was a reckless challenge."

Wright claimed Gerrard's actions were justified, and refused to castigate the England midfielder.

The former England striker said: "Other people do that to us all the time and we say it isn't a penalty.

"It will happen to us again so we should do it."

Should he get an after match red card as has been mentioned here for other players? Should be he banned from the 1st WC games for it? Amazed the bbc carried as usually it never happens as Englsih players are gentleman.

Gotta love Wright when Etoo dived vs Arse in the final he wanted a lynch mob.

kdjac

county · 31-05-2006, 11:00

he dived simple as that.but justice was served as the peno was saved.

iregk · 31-05-2006, 11:04

Well the CL final for me summed up everything thats wrong with the English. Paul Merson talking at half time was going mad at the sending off saying it was a disgrace and it was pre meditated by the ref etc... Then they showed the dive for Arsenals free kick which resulted in the goal and Merson was saying it was a class dive and he did great to win it and fair play to him it was a brilliant decision to go down!!!

Had that been the other way around and it would have been a huge injustice. But everyone goes on about Robben, Drogba, RVN etc... Gerrard is one of the worst in the prem for it.

Hobart · 31-05-2006, 11:05

Did not see the incident, but it is not hard to believe. It is not the first time he has been caught out doing this. I don't believe that he should miss out on a WC cup game for this, and I don't think it will happen.

What I really cannot understand is that the guy is so talented and does not need to do this. It is a part of his (and others) game that really ruins a player for me.

**yop** · 31-05-2006, 11:06

anyone got a link?

daveirl · 31-05-2006, 11:06

Why say it's just England though, I remember Duff diving blatently against Israel last year to get a free on the edge of the box and the guys around me in the pub were clapping it.

Hobart · 31-05-2006, 11:22

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Originally Posted by daveirl

Why say it's just England though, I remember Duff diving blatently against Israel last year to get a free on the edge of the box and the guys around me in the pub were clapping it.

It's not just England. It's throughout the game at both club an international level.

mike65 · 31-05-2006, 11:29

It pissed me off and I ws glad Frankie fluffed the peno. I blame the coaches they must activly encourage players to adopt a "take a dive if in the box and it looks vaguly plausible" attitude. The refs have to be sharper too.

the BBC were almost embarrasingly quiet about it.

Mike.

p.pete · 31-05-2006, 11:43

They were condeming it on BBC 5 analysis.

The Rooster · 31-05-2006, 11:51

I watch a helluva lot of Gerrard, and I rarely remember him diving. The one that springs to mind is the CL final, but that was desperate measures and he was being closely challenged.

Diving is not the right thing to do. To dive in a meaningless friendly is pure stupid in my opinion. Every ref will in the WC will know about this now, and as sure as anything there will be at least one incident where Gerrard is genuinely fouled in or around the box, and the decision will not go his way.

Obviously I have no facts to back the following up, but I bet if I could analyse every penalty I've ever seen between good decisions and bad decisions, that the scoring success rate would be a helluva lot higher for those that were good decisions!

Lex Luthor · 31-05-2006, 11:55

Its a bit 2 faced by him cos he was only mouthing off a few weeks ago about how diving should be kicked out of the game....

The Muppet · 31-05-2006, 12:20

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Originally Posted by The Rooster

I watch a helluva lot of Gerrard, and I rarely remember him diving.

That Alzihmers is a curse.

Hobart · 31-05-2006, 12:22

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Originally Posted by The Muppet

That Alzihmers is a curse.

Alzihmers? It sounds as bad as dyslexia.

astrofool · 31-05-2006, 12:28

Did anything happen with regards clamping down on diving during the world cup? I.e. directives for referee's to follow? If it takes one of the star players missing the WC final due to a dive, so be it, might filter through the ranks.

The Muppet · 31-05-2006, 12:28

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Originally Posted by Hobart

Alzihmers? It sounds as bad as dyslexia.

Good to see the spelling police on the ball. Keep up the good work there Hanibal.

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31-05-2006, 11:00	#2
county Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: rathnew,wicklow Posts: 4,676 Adverts \| Friends	he dived simple as that.but justice was served as the peno was saved.

31-05-2006, 11:04	#3
iregk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wicklow Posts: 4,214 Adverts \| Friends	Well the CL final for me summed up everything thats wrong with the English. Paul Merson talking at half time was going mad at the sending off saying it was a disgrace and it was pre meditated by the ref etc... Then they showed the dive for Arsenals free kick which resulted in the goal and Merson was saying it was a class dive and he did great to win it and fair play to him it was a brilliant decision to go down!!! Had that been the other way around and it would have been a huge injustice. But everyone goes on about Robben, Drogba, RVN etc... Gerrard is one of the worst in the prem for it.

31-05-2006, 11:05	#4
Hobart Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,721 Adverts \| Friends	Did not see the incident, but it is not hard to believe. It is not the first time he has been caught out doing this. I don't believe that he should miss out on a WC cup game for this, and I don't think it will happen. What I really cannot understand is that the guy is so talented and does not need to do this. It is a part of his (and others) game that really ruins a player for me.

31-05-2006, 11:06	#5
yop Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mayo - Ireland Posts: 9,087 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Interior Design & Decoration, Mayo	anyone got a link?

31-05-2006, 11:06	#6
daveirl Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 14,127 Adverts \| Friends	Why say it's just England though, I remember Duff diving blatently against Israel last year to get a free on the edge of the box and the guys around me in the pub were clapping it.

31-05-2006, 11:29	#8
mike65 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: waterford Posts: 80,944 Adverts \| Friends	It pissed me off and I ws glad Frankie fluffed the peno. I blame the coaches they must activly encourage players to adopt a "take a dive if in the box and it looks vaguly plausible" attitude. The refs have to be sharper too. the BBC were almost embarrasingly quiet about it. Mike.

31-05-2006, 11:43	#9
p.pete Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Caerdydd Posts: 4,202 Adverts \| Friends	They were condeming it on BBC 5 analysis.

31-05-2006, 11:51	#10
The Rooster Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,798 Adverts \| Friends	I watch a helluva lot of Gerrard, and I rarely remember him diving. The one that springs to mind is the CL final, but that was desperate measures and he was being closely challenged. Diving is not the right thing to do. To dive in a meaningless friendly is pure stupid in my opinion. Every ref will in the WC will know about this now, and as sure as anything there will be at least one incident where Gerrard is genuinely fouled in or around the box, and the decision will not go his way. Obviously I have no facts to back the following up, but I bet if I could analyse every penalty I've ever seen between good decisions and bad decisions, that the scoring success rate would be a helluva lot higher for those that were good decisions!

31-05-2006, 11:55	#11
Lex Luthor Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 6,433 Adverts \| Friends	Its a bit 2 faced by him cos he was only mouthing off a few weeks ago about how diving should be kicked out of the game....

31-05-2006, 12:28	#14
astrofool Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Shankill, Dublin Posts: 8,149 Adverts \| Friends	Did anything happen with regards clamping down on diving during the world cup? I.e. directives for referee's to follow? If it takes one of the star players missing the WC final due to a dive, so be it, might filter through the ranks.