Originally Posted by thegills
What about integration of all future MAN's with the existing incumbent's telephone exchanges, so that LLU can come to its intended fruition?
All MAN's are designed to pass by the eircom exchanges. The problems are that eircom keep changing the location of the interconnect chambers and eircom don't have a regulated product that allows 3rd party fibre into their exchanges
If that problem (and the problem of functional LLU automatisation/transfer), wilfully created by Eircom, is not solved, then – and that's exactly what's happening – the cost-benefit equation of the MANs is seriously jinxxed. "DCMNR, we have a problem! And we don't want to be bull****ted about it."
It's mostly civil servants that produce such unbearable nonsense. (And I say that with my own civil servant background and with the confidence that the ones doing an excellent job under whatever circumstances are not offended). They'd send up a crew to a moon mission. The astronauts would never be able to leave the landed capsule, because of a "problem" with the company that refused to design a functional exit ladder, but the civil servants would not stop telling the public: "We are getting wonderful photographs through the capsule's windows and the mission is fully on time and on budget", keeping very quiet about the fact that the mission is not on target.
The MANs project is not quite the surgeons case of "operation was immensely successful; the patient unfortunately died" – but its severe limitations should not any longer be pasted over, as has been done up to now.
No government with any self-respect should continue the cat and mouse game Eircom's dirty bunch of managers has chosen to play. eircom may well "not have a regulated product that allows 3rd party fibre into their exchanges"
, but that should be irrelevant. Gov (and not the Comms Minister on his own) has to have the authority and the guts to call in the bunch and let them know in no uncertain terms that they better stop the fooling around. And the Babcockians at the gate should be told the same in no uncertain terms in a timely manner.
What about modifying MAN's to fibre to the curb and fibre to the premises models?
This is too expensive. An alternative would be to integrate e-net managed high sites / masts into the MAN design. Wireless broadband coupled with LLU should satisfy residential needs
Fibre to the premises is just too hard to rollout as it takes an eternity to ascertain ownership of land or buildings and then get a way leave. This would severly hinder the ability to rollout the MAN
What does it say about a gov.?: We know that other countries are engaging now in starting their fibre to the home/curb networks; we know that we should not again be left behind, but its just not feasible how we could do it; we won't even give it a try with one of the new MANs projects in order to get to know what the real and practical experiences with this matter are; we rather finish all the MAN projects on time, close the eyes and get trough with them, let's not think about them not being on target in some/most/all of the smaller places.
Spongebobs suggestion about giving access is one obvious practical solution to implement.
I wonder, how the hell did we ever get electricity, telephone and cable to houses?
What about finding an answer to the still unanswered question, what a MAN can do for a place like Kiltimagh, can ever be expected to do, before similar projects are done in the same way?
There are a number of potential MAN customers in Manorhamilton. ADSL is no use for them and business quality wireless isn't either. If the backhaul was sorted there are a number of customers that would use the MAN
(I don't mind you mistaking Kiltimagh for another place.) My point is: A lot of money is spent on each of the MANs. In the smaller places like Kiltimagh in Mayo, and many of the smaller places which are planned, I can't see a proper cost-benefit equation being established by the DCMNR.
Take Kiltimagh: There is one company, as far as I know, CMS peripherals, which employs some 23 people, that could one day eventually benefit from the MAN. I don't think they use it or really need it. And even if they did: What's the fibre cable doing meandering through the town in figures of eight? What was it meant to do? I believe Mayo's County Councillors who applied for this MAN, and the DCMNR and the professional planners of the MAN don't have a clue what they are doing. They have got the money and they lay the fibre. Fullstop. And please do not ask questions what this is all about, when we've told you our answer already a hundred times: the MANs are about bringing broadband to the people of Ireland (and not so long ago we'd have added: so that Ireland can be the first country in Europe to have widespread 5 Mb/s broadband...)
Sponge, you are in favour of the MANs (And I can see your point, to a point, with bigger towns with enough businesses and telcos to backhaul-connect in alternative ways to Eircom). Can you give me an answer to that question: What can the fibre loops meandering through small towns like Kiltimagh do for the people of Kiltimagh?
(Even if the backhaul situation is put in place).
I've asked County Councillors, I have asked DCMNR guys, I've talked to E-Net guys, I have talked to people in the know about Metropolitan Area Networks in other countries. They could not give an answer. If you, SpongeBob, cannot suggest practical ways how these fibre loops in smaller towns can be put to use, then I believe that this is a waste of money, time and effort and should be reconsidered.