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20-02-2006, 21:21   #1
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Garda Reserve

Alright lads just saw this on the news tonight!

Not sure if this is the right Forum but it relates to work please feel free to move...

Whats the feeling on the new Garda Reserve starting up in September?

Do people think it'll be Good Bad or Ugly?

Will it work? Will the Garda help or Hinder it?

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PS (Hoping to join the Garda force this year, hence the post!)
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20-02-2006, 21:59   #2
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It's an extremely poor attempt to fraudulently increase the Garda figures. At a community level it may be good, but in the long run it'll be a PR disaster. Just wait till the first reserve is killed on duty, or gets into a fight with some complete scumbags who are just laughing at him.

This country made a huge surplus last year. I can't see why there's any resistance whatsoever to ploughing proper resources into the Gardai instead of trying to make it seem like there are more Gardai than their actually are.
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Ok, heres a question, How will the department of justice ensure that Garda Reserve members are available at all times to be deployed when required?

Take for example the Army Reserve, no job security, no pay for attending weekly parade, no pay for attending weekend exercises, paid once a year for annual camp or for training exercises alongside the Army Regulars, if you can get the time off work for that.

You see, there is zero legislation for job security, if the govt will not introduce it for Army Reserve, they most certainly wont like facing the prospect of introducing it for Garda Reserves, so you have the situation whereby reserves turn up when they can, rather than regularly when required.
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21-02-2006, 09:39   #4
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What im more worried about is these Garda Reserves abusing the power they will have!!!
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What im more worried about is these Garda Reserves abusing the power they will have!!!
I hear ya
This is gonna be a major problem plus the amount of local knowledge that will become available to the garda now will cause a few more problems. I know they said they won't be stationed in their own areas but if it's a reserve force they can't be stationed too far away.

There may be trouble ahead lads
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21-02-2006, 10:15   #6
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What im more worried about is these Garda Reserves abusing the power they will have!!!
They will be supervised by a full uniformed Garda at all times. I doubt that Garda will allow them to do something stupid.
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It seems to work in the UK, so why the resistance over here if its done right? I understand that there is no real substitute for extra full time Gardai, but surely there are some areas that this idea could be beneficial too.

Had originally planned on joining the Gardai a number of years back but my life took another direction, so I personally would be interested in joining such a reserve.

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It seems to work in the UK, so why the resistance over here if its done right?
Because you can be sure it won't be done right. They have had a reserve force in the UK for 100+ years so they're used to the idea.

This is Ireland. It won't be done right. It's not actually possible.

You'll have a load of people joining for the power. It's the worst idea I've ever heard of.
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Actually I think the main issue is proportion.

A reserve force should be a small force which can be used in emergency times (Garda Strike, civil unrest) or for more mundane duties which may eat up Garda time (football matches, parades, etc). Duties where Gardai require their training and legal skills (escorts, protests, general policing), only fully-trained Gardau should be used. Reservists should never be used where you're likely to require arrests and/or detentions, except in an emergency.

But the proposed reserve force will be 4,000. Which will make up 25% of the force when up to strength. It will make up even more of the "on the beat" force when you remove any Gardai in specialist units. McDowell will have no qualms in using these Gardai for regular duties, and claiming that our streets are better patrolled than ever.
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I hear ya
This is gonna be a major problem plus the amount of local knowledge that will become available to the garda now will cause a few more problems. I know they said they won't be stationed in their own areas but if it's a reserve force they can't be stationed too far away.

There may be trouble ahead lads
How would this be any different that the way it is at the moment with full time gardai?
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Actually I think the main issue is proportion.

A reserve force should be a small force which can be used in emergency times (Garda Strike, civil unrest) or for more mundane duties which may eat up Garda time (football matches, parades, etc). Duties where Gardai require their training and legal skills (escorts, protests, general policing), only fully-trained Gardau should be used. Reservists should never be used where you're likely to require arrests and/or detentions, except in an emergency.

But the proposed reserve force will be 4,000. Which will make up 25% of the force when up to strength. It will make up even more of the "on the beat" force when you remove any Gardai in specialist units. McDowell will have no qualms in using these Gardai for regular duties, and claiming that our streets are better patrolled than ever.

Agreed. Although it would be pretty poor to join the resevists and be put as a jobsbody looking after football matches, parades etc. I think without full time training and on the job expirience day in and day out it would be like handing the keys of the jail to a blind man.

Gardai are generally ok in my opinion, than again I haven't had too many run ins with them, obviously there are some good and some bad but if the government tried to claim that our streets were better policed because 4,000 inexpirienced, probably less well trained people were walking around in Garda uniforms I think it'd just be another case of the government trying to manage the problem poorly or paint a good PR face on it.
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What sort of background checks are they going to run on these types? Will there is physcological tests to keep the little hitlers and walter mitty types out.

Will it become full of local nosey busybodies who will now have access to pulse so they can look up all their neighbours on it for gossip?
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What sort of background checks are they going to run on these types? Will there is physcological tests to keep the little hitlers and walter mitty types out.

Will it become full of local nosey busybodies who will now have access to pulse so they can look up all their neighbours on it for gossip?

I was thinking about that myself, if you got on the wrong side of some Garda Reserve, could they simply look up information on you!

Thats kinda freaky!
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22-02-2006, 08:31   #14
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what kind of limitations are they putting on this (i.e. age, nationality etc...)
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22-02-2006, 08:46   #15
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I dont think they have the power of arrest do they? If they dont they will be a laughing stock. If they do they'll try and arrest some one in a situation they cant control and some one will get hurt.

As for aceess to Pulse if they can get that what would stop some one from a drug gang getting some one in to the reserves?

What happens if you get injuried? Will there be compo? Can you imagine going to your real job and saying I did my ankle in last night chasing some scumbag?

I think its a joke. You get what you pay for at the end of the day.
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