[silverside]

when you think of what you are paying to run a car anyway if you are driving kinnegad-dublin every day, 20 euro a week is not that much in the big scheme of things especially given all the time you are saving.
think of what you are saving in rent and beer money by not living in dublin.

[Tom Dunne]

That's a very simplistic view of things, Silverside.

We pay up to 4.50 Euro for pints here out in the sticks, food tends to be more expensive due to the lack of large supermarkets. And all these "little" costs add up, including tolls and petrol.

[murphaph]

The only answer is densification of Dublin to european norms and for people to give up the notion of the 3 bed semi in suburbia (that's coming from the not so proud owner of a 3 bed semi in suburbia).

[D'Peoples Voice]

Originally Posted by murphaph

The only answer is densification of Dublin to european norms and for people to give up the notion of the 3 bed semi in suburbia (that's coming from the not so proud owner of a 3 bed semi in suburbia).

Mate, I don't think any sane person could disagree with that. (of course the stupid argument I've had thrown at me when I say simialr to yourself, is "look at Ballymun, Finglas ,Ballyfermot, north innner city, they are all built up areas, and look what happened there!" I just give up rather than start explaining that there are a million other factors at play in those cases. Built up areas do not always have to become ghettos!! Look at Clonmel!)

Originally Posted by Idbatterim

If they want rip off per km basis why dont hey look at the east and westlink bridges?

Spot on, the taxpayer is subsidising the cost of all the roads around the East Link.This is what I have an issue with.There should be a maximum level set on € per km(regardsless if one's a bridge or as opposed to open road)
At least for the new m4(Kinegad), the N8(Fermoy-when opened), the M1(Dundalk), I feel I'm getting something that is vaguely worth the cost, in terms of petrol saved.
As the title of this thread is "Enfield/Kinnegad bypass tolls to be highest in country", I don't wish though to start talking about other toll roads though.

In absolute terms, that is, ignoring other toll roads, EUR 2.40 is a lot, you could go to the cinema on your own for the cost of only 3 journeys approx on the toll road, or indeed go with your partner for the cost of only 6 journeys approx on the toll road.

[Sponge Bob]

Originally Posted by Idbatterim

D'Peoples Voice is absolutely right. Yeah E2.40 sounds like alot, but on a cost per km basis it definetly the cheapest in the country. Its a 39 km motorway! but yeah im not sure if everyone will use it, because its all well and good saying its the cheapest per km in the country and we may be be getting good value, but it is E2.40 one way add that up over a period, it aint cheap!

There will be another toll past Ballinasloe in 2008 .

[murphaph]

To be honest, two tolls between Dublin & Galway isn't too bad. There'll be 2 between Dublin and Cork too and at least 1, maybe 2 between Dublin and Limerick. It'll be 2 to Waterford I'll bet too. No tolls on the N11 interestingly, so don't be surprised if it gets used in place of the M9 to east county Waterford.

Long distance commuting is bad news in general. Sh!tty quality of life sat in a car for a tenth of your waking life, missing out valuable family time etc.

Nice apartments in our cities with high quality public parks within easy reach, that's the key-allow us to live and work in the same city and leave the motorways for the 'weekend away' or whatever, not the daily commute.

The problem today is that even apartments in or near the city are not affordable for many. Hopefully supply will increase. I'd love to see all those terraced houses with gardens in Drumcondra/Ranelagh etc. wiped from the face of the earth and replaced with medium-high density 4/5 storey apartment blocks and new schools and parks. The city is well capable of densifying 10 fold.

Here's hoping anyway.

[dubhthach]

Originally Posted by murphaph

To be honest, two tolls between Dublin & Galway isn't too bad. There'll be 2 between Dublin and Cork too and at least 1, maybe 2 between Dublin and Limerick. It'll be 2 to Waterford I'll bet too. No tolls on the N11 interestingly, so don't be surprised if it gets used in place of the M9 to east county Waterford.

They are also talking about putting a toll on the outer galway bypass. If that's the case anyone going from west of the corrib (half of galway city) to dublin by motorway will have to pay 3 tolls.

The toll from galway to ballinasloe with be at Cappletaggle. As the slip road connecting the "Galway to ballinasloe motorway" with the loughrea bypass is before this you will be able to stay on dual carriageway then cut down to Loughrea onto old N6 and get back onto the dual carriageway at Aughrim.

[murphaph]

Originally Posted by dubhthach

The toll from galway to ballinasloe with be at Cappletaggle. As the slip road connecting the "Galway to ballinasloe motorway" with the loughrea bypass is before this you will be able to stay on dual carriageway then cut down to Loughrea onto old N6 and get back onto the dual carriageway at Aughrim.

Hmmm, I'd be surprised if there weren't toll booths planned for the on and off slips like the M1.

[Victor]

http://www.nra.ie/News/NewsAnnouncem...t,1913,en.html

[Bluetonic]

The toll will be free if motorist can not get from a point 30m before the barrier to a point 5 meters after the barrier in 25 seconds or less.

There are 9 lanes in each direction and unlike the westlink there will be two electronic lanes in each direction with the barrier remaining up at all times unless it detects a car without the electronic pass.

[mackerski]

Originally Posted by Bluetonic

The toll will be free if motorist can not get from a point 30m before the barrier to a point 5 meters after the barrier in 25 seconds or less.

I foresee a new fashion in spending ages fumbling for the right change in the hope that a queue will build behind you, forcing the operators to open the gates.

Dermot

[penexpers]

I don't understand why people have a such a grudge against paying tolls over here when it's the norm on the continent.

[ninja900]

On the continent it's the norm to have good quality free alternative routes.

In France they make the urban bypasses free and toll the inter-urban motorways - contrast that with the 'logic' of the M50 toll.

Basically the Irish motorist is hammered every which way. The only way to end road tolling is to have a total boycott of toll roads. Won't happen, and they know it.

[ninja900]

Originally Posted by mackerski

I foresee a new fashion in spending ages fumbling for the right change in the hope that a queue will build behind you

If you're a motorcyclist, you've no choice but to hold everyone up behind you as you take off gloves and fumble for change with cold fingers... all tolls for motorcycles should be abolished (as on most UK toll roads) as they create no congestion and cause minimal wear to the road surface. Costs more to collect than it's worth, but try telling that to the eejits in NTR.

[Maskhadov]

The proposed N6 Galway to East Ballinasloe scheme is a high quality dual carriageway extending from Doughiska in
the East of Galway city to Tulrush east of Ballinasloe. It consists of 55.80 kilometres of dual carriageway, a 7 kilometre link
road from Carrowkeel to Loughrea and approximately 23 kilometres of side roads. There are 4 grade separated junctions,
36 bridges and a Toll Plaza located at Cappataggle.

I got that from the .pdf file. It says that the Galway - Dublin dual carriageway/motorway is expected to be completed in 2009. Is that the expected date ? What about the N6 Galway to East
Ballinasloe bit, when is it expected to be completed ?