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Dooom · 12-09-2004, 22:01

Right, I know I did terribly in my jc. But my main concern is being moved down (probably should have thought of this before hand) to pass or something. I want to stay in honours...but is it my choice? Or is it going to be a case of "tough, you should have done better"?

PurpleFistMixer · 12-09-2004, 22:05

I don't think they can FORCE you to move. It's just meant to be a strong guideline. Apparently the jump from honours JC to honours LC is quite a big one. But if you really want to stay in honours I don't think they can change that.

coconutmonkey · 12-09-2004, 22:05

In my school it's your own choice. And also in my school, it's moving across to pass, and across to higher level, that's what all the teachers say anyway. Unless they're in a bad mood, in which case they forget all about it and threaten to 'bust you down to ordinary level so fast!'

PurpleFistMixer · 12-09-2004, 22:08

I hate euphemisms. They're so degrading for everyone involved, I think. Even though they're not meant to be. The fact that they have to hide the shame makes it even worse... ph.

coconutmonkey · 12-09-2004, 22:10

Indeed......(im too lazy to come up with something smart like that so i shall just agree with you)

Hello Kitty · 12-09-2004, 22:12

Its your own choice if you want to do honours, but you have to work harder to stay in it!

**Raphael** · 12-09-2004, 22:16

It's your call, no one can force you to do a level you don't want to. But in certain subjects, ie maths, if you didnt do well in the JC, then drop. Drop like a bag of rocks tied to a bigger bag of rocks which has been dropped down a well and had more rocks dropped on top of it for good measure

K!LL!@N · 12-09-2004, 22:16

The results aren't out yet, so maybe you didn't do as badly as you thought.
But if you have done badly, you'll have to ask yourself why.
Were you not bothered about the exam?
Lack of study?
Just a bad day, the day of the exam?
Why do you want to stay in higher level?
If you're putting in a lot of effort and still struggling then perhaps pass level might be better for you, and you can concentrate on subjects you're better at?

If you do get a bad result your teacher is gonna see it as an indication that you're not able for higher level and that you'd be better off in a pass class.

If you decide to continue with higher level, it's going to take a bit of work.
I'd recommend maybe getting some grinds, to help you get your head around the things you're having problems with.
Depending on the attitude of the teacher you have, maybe the classroom isn't the best place to be asking questions.
When it's just one to one tuition with a grinds teacher it's much better, you can ask questions as much as you want.
I gave grinds to a guy who had failed pass level junior cert maths in his mocks and after a couple months of grinds and some hard work he managed to get a B in his junior cert.
So you can definitely get back into it with a bit of work on your part.

Are you going into transition year or straight into 5th year?
If you're going into transition year, then you have plenty of time to get your head around things.
If you're going into 5th year, then you need to ask for help and soon.
If you fall behind it'll be very tough to catch up.

Killian

coconutmonkey · 12-09-2004, 22:18

Whoah.....you take things seriously. That was a long post!

JBoyle4eva · 12-09-2004, 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

I want to stay in honours...but is it my choice? Or is it going to be a case of "tough, you should have done better"?

DON'T WORRY!

It's not the teachers choice: IT'S YOURS! All my class can decide by themselves, and I'm pretty sure that's YOUR choice too!

Dooom · 13-09-2004, 18:39

Ah good. Thanks for the info.

As for the exam - it was a bad day. As was the next, and the next, and the next...

**Big Ears** · 17-09-2004, 18:18

A teacher in my school says its our constitutional right to do honours and if the teacher or the school don't let you they could be sued .

Rozabeez · 02-10-2004, 17:25

we get put into classes we have no choice, but i dropped to pass maths and science.

segadreamcast · 03-10-2004, 17:45

Anyone who gets 'put into classes' can request to be changed. Talk to your guidance councilor/ year head for further advice.

newgrange · 06-10-2004, 19:16

You can request all you like, but if you are not able to keep up with the Higher Level group, and are slowing their progress, the school is quite within their rights to move you to a more appropriate class. In a mixed ability class it does not make as much difference.

Obviously on the day of the exam, you can take whatever level you want, though I doubt there are many people who (except in cases of illness, missed papers etc.) failed Ordinary Level Junior Cert. Maths only to get an honour in Higher Level Leaving Cert. Maths.

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Dooom Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hell On Earth Posts: 2,690 Adverts \| Friends	Moving pass to honours based on results? Right, I know I did terribly in my jc. But my main concern is being moved down (probably should have thought of this before hand) to pass or something. I want to stay in honours...but is it my choice? Or is it going to be a case of "tough, you should have done better"?

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12-09-2004, 22:05	#2
PurpleFistMixer Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: dublin Posts: 5,739 Adverts \| Friends	I don't think they can FORCE you to move. It's just meant to be a strong guideline. Apparently the jump from honours JC to honours LC is quite a big one. But if you really want to stay in honours I don't think they can change that.

12-09-2004, 22:05	#3
coconutmonkey Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dublin Posts: 66 Adverts \| Friends	In my school it's your own choice. And also in my school, it's moving across to pass, and across to higher level, that's what all the teachers say anyway. Unless they're in a bad mood, in which case they forget all about it and threaten to 'bust you down to ordinary level so fast!'

12-09-2004, 22:08	#4
PurpleFistMixer Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: dublin Posts: 5,739 Adverts \| Friends	I hate euphemisms. They're so degrading for everyone involved, I think. Even though they're not meant to be. The fact that they have to hide the shame makes it even worse... ph.

12-09-2004, 22:10	#5
coconutmonkey Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dublin Posts: 66 Adverts \| Friends	Indeed......(im too lazy to come up with something smart like that so i shall just agree with you)

12-09-2004, 22:12	#6
Hello Kitty Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dublin Posts: 425 Adverts \| Friends	Its your own choice if you want to do honours, but you have to work harder to stay in it!

12-09-2004, 22:16	#7
Raphael Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: UCD Posts: 7,794 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Massively Multiplayer, Roleplaying, UCD	It's your call, no one can force you to do a level you don't want to. But in certain subjects, ie maths, if you didnt do well in the JC, then drop. Drop like a bag of rocks tied to a bigger bag of rocks which has been dropped down a well and had more rocks dropped on top of it for good measure

12-09-2004, 22:16	#8
K!LL!@N Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,805 Adverts \| Friends	The results aren't out yet, so maybe you didn't do as badly as you thought. But if you have done badly, you'll have to ask yourself why. Were you not bothered about the exam? Lack of study? Just a bad day, the day of the exam? Why do you want to stay in higher level? If you're putting in a lot of effort and still struggling then perhaps pass level might be better for you, and you can concentrate on subjects you're better at? If you do get a bad result your teacher is gonna see it as an indication that you're not able for higher level and that you'd be better off in a pass class. If you decide to continue with higher level, it's going to take a bit of work. I'd recommend maybe getting some grinds, to help you get your head around the things you're having problems with. Depending on the attitude of the teacher you have, maybe the classroom isn't the best place to be asking questions. When it's just one to one tuition with a grinds teacher it's much better, you can ask questions as much as you want. I gave grinds to a guy who had failed pass level junior cert maths in his mocks and after a couple months of grinds and some hard work he managed to get a B in his junior cert. So you can definitely get back into it with a bit of work on your part. Are you going into transition year or straight into 5th year? If you're going into transition year, then you have plenty of time to get your head around things. If you're going into 5th year, then you need to ask for help and soon. If you fall behind it'll be very tough to catch up. Killian

12-09-2004, 22:18	#9
coconutmonkey Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dublin Posts: 66 Adverts \| Friends	Whoah.....you take things seriously. That was a long post!

13-09-2004, 18:39	#11
Dooom Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hell On Earth Posts: 2,690 Adverts \| Friends	Ah good. Thanks for the info. As for the exam - it was a bad day. As was the next, and the next, and the next...

17-09-2004, 18:18	#12
Big Ears Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Middlesbrough via Tipperary Posts: 7,674 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Boxing	A teacher in my school says its our constitutional right to do honours and if the teacher or the school don't let you they could be sued .

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Rozabeez Closed Account Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,906 Adverts \| Friends	we get put into classes we have no choice, but i dropped to pass maths and science.

03-10-2004, 17:45	#14
segadreamcast Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Dublin 9 Posts: 2,665 Adverts \| Friends	Anyone who gets 'put into classes' can request to be changed. Talk to your guidance councilor/ year head for further advice.

06-10-2004, 19:16	#15
newgrange Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dublin 3 Posts: 563 Adverts \| Friends	You can request all you like, but if you are not able to keep up with the Higher Level group, and are slowing their progress, the school is quite within their rights to move you to a more appropriate class. In a mixed ability class it does not make as much difference. Obviously on the day of the exam, you can take whatever level you want, though I doubt there are many people who (except in cases of illness, missed papers etc.) failed Ordinary Level Junior Cert. Maths only to get an honour in Higher Level Leaving Cert. Maths.