[CyberGhost]

Originally posted by Civilian_Target
My grandpa's a WW2 vetran, so I asked. Apparantly he never got close enough to have to kill anybody, but he feels lucky to be still around today. Apparantly shellshock isn't very nice though....

LMAO!

he didn't kill anyone? In WW2?


he must have sit out the whole war in the base, of course he wouldn't get close enough to anybody,



of course just kidding dude! don't take it too close

[Sleepy]

Ehm, he could've been in Artillery (where you'd never know if you killed someone or not), a runner, a medic, an engineer, a supplies officer, a clerk, a driver... lots of ways you can serve in an army and never come face to face with killing someone. It's that fact that led to a rather spurious argument that only 2% of soldiers were killers and that these guys were borderline sociopath on a rather shoddily researched "documentary" on Channel 4 recently.

[rs]

Originally posted by FX Meister
That is not true. Maybe for a serial killer, but not for most people.

Seriously, I was watching a tv programme on it once.

All the soldiers on it (who had actually killed people) that were interviewed said the same thing. The first time was really difficult, but once you have done it once, it's much easier to kill again.

The show also said that many soldiers simply could not do it. They would deliberatly miss or not be able to pull the trigger at all.

In fact, all army training includes killing animals. Simply to get the soldiers used to the idea of killing things. To make it easier when the time came to take a human life.

[CareBear]

Did anyone hear on the news bout that 15 year old who had said to his friends that he wanted to kill someone noone would miss. What the **** was going through his mind! What makes a 15 year old actually kill someone or even say such a thing! Completely insane!

[CyberGhost]

rs, are you talking about the documentary called: First Kill ?

where they ask the old dude, and he said he would kill again, and that soldiers after they killed, if they'd miss any war they would be very dissapointed, and they want to go back


it's avaible at emule! very interesting

[pork99]

Originally posted by l3rian
ALL murderers are fcuking retards

[warning: scene shows cnn report on a murder in iraq, no blood]

here is a prime example: http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5365.htm

Well if you were fighting an enemy who doesn't take prisoners or gruesomely tortures, mutilates & murders any prisoners they do take you would find yourself doing the same thing. I can imagine myself doing it in their situation.

When the Americans were fighting the Japanese in WWII they got very few prisoners, mainly because Japanese would not surrender but also because the few who did surrender tended to be executed out of hand by US troops who had some knowledge of how the Japanese treated any Americans they captured.

[munkeehaven]

i imagine its not good for the mind.

[blobert]

Originally posted by bender
you loose a part of your soul, even if its for your government!!

I hope you are not speaking from experience

[tuxy]

Originally posted by pork99

When the Americans were fighting the Japanese in WWII they got very few prisoners, mainly because Japanese would not surrender but also because the few who did surrender tended to be executed out of hand by US troops who had some knowledge of how the Japanese treated any Americans they captured.

sounds like they were doing the japanese a favour it was (maybe still is ) a great dishonor for a japanese soldier to be captured alive , they probably would of killed themselves at some stage thats how much of a dishonor it is to them

[l3rian]

Well if you were fighting an enemy who doesn't take prisoners or gruesomely tortures, mutilates & murders any prisoners they do take you would find yourself doing the same thing. I can imagine myself doing it in their situation.

i wouldnt ever join an army in the 1st place, theres plenty of murderous retards out there (like you apparently) who would do that job

im talking about the other side too (note my ALL in 1st post), before you spam the us and them arguement for war and armies

[fluffer]

I would like to think that if i needed to kill, I could do it.

I would hate to be the poor bastard who sat in a corner crying while someone killed their family.

On another note, using the channel 4 documentary as an example, you can see how technology is making it easier to kill. The knife is the hardest weapon to use in war psychologically. Not because you are killing, but because you have physical contact with the person you are killing. A pilot at 20,000 feet dropping a bomb on a tank with 5 lads in it is in a much better position. He "knocked out a tank". Whereas the grunt has just knifed a man who was likely screaming for his children.

Technology is constantly putting the enemy at a distance. A thrown stone, a spear, javelin, arrows, rifles, cannons, artillery, bombs. All have progressively distanced the killer from the victim.

It is a fact that modern armies are becoming much better at making young men kill. Wargames play a huge part. If you spend weeks in a mock urban environment firing paintballs or lasers at other soldiers, your reflex action in a real battle will be the same, and the moral argument disappears, and war becomes a game. Until after. Even then you will find that the American and British armies have some of the best psychological personnel in the world. Because you need soldiers not only to recouperate from killing, but you also need them to kill again...

[df001i6876]

WW2 HE SAID YOU DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE .

Do or die. But he did say it hard at first. to watch your mate being killed.

In battle . This some time give you the feeling to keep shooting. Its survival.

and luck . But he said he wouldnt brag about it . He was shot three time in leg

and once in the shoulder. At dunkirk the bombs were flying every were.

He would never drink in any war legion club. some thing are better forgotten about. he would say too me.

he hope he would never have to do it again. or wish it on anyone.

[df001i6876]

Originally posted by df001i6876
WW2 HE SAID YOU DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE .

Do or die. But he did say it hard at first. to watch your mate being killed.

In battle . This some time give you the feeling to keep shooting. Its survival.

and luck . But he said he wouldnt brag about it . He was shot three time in leg

and once in the shoulder. At dunkirk the bombs were flying every were.

He would never drink in any war legion club. some thing are better forgotten about. he would say too me.

he hope he would never have to do it again. or wish it on anyone.

The politician start war but some poor sod as to fight it for them.
they get all glory you get shot.

[BEAT]

My grandfather was in one of the planes that were dropping the a-bomb, there were several planes dispersed some of them carrying duds so they wouldnt know who actually dropped the bomb.
he was also stationed on an island towards the end fighting off the japanese, he was part of a rescue squad.
It was hard for him to talk about it and he came to tears and had to leave the room. I did a report in college on him. He showed me pictures from those days too...its always in the back of thier minds...in thier dreams and haunting them every waking day.

My uncle was a Marine in Viet Nam for 2 tours, 1968 and 1969. He was fighting the front lines and there are books written about his troop. I have read them. He was sprayed with agent orange and is on full disability now because of the effects of that and the effects of the war itself.
He has not been able to talk about the war until this year, can you imagine all these years he hasnt been able to mutter the words.
He chose me to talk to about it because of my extreme interest. I also wrote a report on him.
He told me things that made me want to cry.
Only one thing I will share with you,
from a distance he could hear the screams of one of his friends, he searched him out and as he came upon the screams he could see that he was tangled in barbed wire and being castrated alive by the VC.
The stench of rotting bodies all around (he can still smell it), the cries of dying men all around(he can still hear it), these are the things he see's every night and everyday. The faces of all those he killed, the body parts the stepped over had become routine.

Sitting with both of these grown men, these proud men, these men who dont show emotion...seeing tears in thier eyes. I see what it means to kill just from looking into thier eyes.

[df001i6876]

but some of those fools[ common man]

need help , wars not a game.

but to politician it is. if only we could make the politician fight it. now that would be some think.