Intervarsities Advanced/Beginner

Aryzel · 11-09-2003, 10:09

It was discuss near the end of the last season that the definition of Beginners and Advanced Archers be changed.
At the moment if started archery a year ago your advanced, if you started less than a year your a beginner.

The obvious problem with this is after a year you have some people how practiced 2/3 times a week and are good or very good archers. And you've people that have pracitce 0/1 times a week and are well still beginners.

The suggestion is to change the definition to be based on an individuals ability, their scores. When an archery breaks 400 on the 60cm targets they become an advanced archer.

shock · 11-09-2003, 18:41

i like that idea, heard it last year and thought it was good. I've been shooting for just under a year now but I dont think I'm good enough to shoot advanced. The 400 rule at least means that everyone shooting advanced is above a certain skill level rather than just having been a member of a club for a year.

**halenger** · 11-09-2003, 20:37

Definately gotta agree with that.

The other problem is that if you force people into advanced when they're not ready they'll just get frustrated and maybe even quit altogether.

I don't think any of us want that...

Aryzel · 12-09-2003, 09:44

I've put up a list of which archers would be in the Advanced Category and which in the Beginners next year if we go with the Advanced decided by getting 400 on the 60cm targets,
you gota love php and databases.

Anyway its under RESULTS on the UCD site:
Adv-Beg Archers

Also i rounded off the suggested rules, to take into account exceptions to the rule.
Remember this is currently only an idea, nothing is final.

**halenger** · 12-09-2003, 11:08

Seems good though I only glanced at it...

2 corrections on CU though: it's Adam first not Alan and i'm pretty sure it's "O' Hara" 4th not "O' Hare".

Cheers. Good job on that.

I think we should stick to the 400 rule though cause if we say "close to" 400 then we've to work out was that a once off too... It's making more work for ourselves. Just my opinion.

DrNickRiviera · 12-09-2003, 15:09

400 seems like a good cut-off point Dermot. I think it'd broaden the scope of intervarsity archery a great deal.

Aryzel · 12-09-2003, 16:12

I'll fix the spellings on of the days,
the near 400 thing was just say if someone got 399 or something that they can shoot the 40's its completely their choice but they shouldn't feel they have to shoot the 60's if they prefer 40cm targets.
Also i didn't count the Dublin Derby, only the full intervarsities

**halenger** · 12-09-2003, 21:41

Oh right... I get you now. Well near to 399 or not I'd say if someone wants to shoot 40s then that's their choice. Not the other way round though!

Turin · 17-09-2003, 13:35

well being that I got the 399 I still dont think that I'm good enough to shoot 40's, I'd probably end up making a show of my self. I think that if hoever someone that did shoot close to 400 then they be given the choice of shooting 40 or 60 but once they make the choice they shoot at that level for the season and can not drop to a 60 if they have a bad day.

Aryzel · 17-09-2003, 16:10

People who score 400+ on the 60's, when they change over to the 40's they will end up scoring 300+ (very rough guess there)
and they might be somewhat dissapointed with that.
But they will be much better off.

Getting from 400 to 500 on the 60's is hard, getting from
300 to 400 on the 40's is significantly easier.

Also the people getting 200-350 on the 60's targets might feel somewhat dissapointed if they see other beginners breaking 400, with the new system, 400 becomes a goal that everyone can reach with effort.

And for the people who get into advanced, they will have a new goal of getting 400 on the 40's, with is far more achievable than 500 on the 60's.

Also 300's are a perfectly decent score, it took me two and a half years to break 400 on any target.

Aryzel · 02-12-2003, 12:48

After the Maynooth Intervarsity; 29th November 2003

The following beginners have score 400+ and are now advanced archers, well done.

DCU Niall Brennan
DCU Sean Walsh
DIT John Donlon
GMIT Kenneth Molloy
NUIG Brenard McGlinchey
UCD Adrian Boland
UCD Chris Williams
UCD Peter Russell
UL Fabrice Ramet
UL Liam Leahy
Ul Sean Leech

A full list of all advanced archers for each university is available on the ucd website under results

shock · 02-12-2003, 14:22

Yes! I get to shoot on smaller targets!

af666x · 02-12-2003, 22:00

HEH! Welcome to my world

shock · 03-12-2003, 09:07

Your World! *runs away*

Renegade_Archer · 03-12-2003, 17:37

OK, so if someone shoots 400 on a 60cm does that mean at the next IV they shoot 40cm or next year?

11-09-2003, 10:09	#1
Aryzel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 483 Adverts \| Friends	Intervarsities Advanced/Beginner It was discuss near the end of the last season that the definition of Beginners and Advanced Archers be changed. At the moment if started archery a year ago your advanced, if you started less than a year your a beginner. The obvious problem with this is after a year you have some people how practiced 2/3 times a week and are good or very good archers. And you've people that have pracitce 0/1 times a week and are well still beginners. The suggestion is to change the definition to be based on an individuals ability, their scores. When an archery breaks 400 on the 60cm targets they become an advanced archer.

11-09-2003, 20:37	#3
halenger Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Freedonia Posts: 2,031 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Archery, CTYI	Definately gotta agree with that. The other problem is that if you force people into advanced when they're not ready they'll just get frustrated and maybe even quit altogether. I don't think any of us want that... __________________ Pádraic Homepage :: Work

12-09-2003, 11:08	#5
halenger Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Freedonia Posts: 2,031 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Archery, CTYI	Seems good though I only glanced at it... 2 corrections on CU though: it's Adam first not Alan and i'm pretty sure it's "O' Hara" 4th not "O' Hare". Cheers. Good job on that. I think we should stick to the 400 rule though cause if we say "close to" 400 then we've to work out was that a once off too... It's making more work for ourselves. Just my opinion. __________________ Pádraic Homepage :: Work

12-09-2003, 21:41	#8
halenger Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Freedonia Posts: 2,031 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Archery, CTYI	Oh right... I get you now. Well near to 399 or not I'd say if someone wants to shoot 40s then that's their choice. Not the other way round though! __________________ Pádraic Homepage :: Work

03-12-2003, 17:37	#15
Renegade_Archer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 733 Adverts \| Friends	OK, so if someone shoots 400 on a 60cm does that mean at the next IV they shoot 40cm or next year? __________________ Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the PSE X-Factor Blog / Archery / Programming TargetScheme - free PDA archery scoring app

11-09-2003, 18:41	#2
shock Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 129 Adverts \| Friends	i like that idea, heard it last year and thought it was good. I've been shooting for just under a year now but I dont think I'm good enough to shoot advanced. The 400 rule at least means that everyone shooting advanced is above a certain skill level rather than just having been a member of a club for a year.

12-09-2003, 09:44	#4
Aryzel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 483 Adverts \| Friends	I've put up a list of which archers would be in the Advanced Category and which in the Beginners next year if we go with the Advanced decided by getting 400 on the 60cm targets, you gota love php and databases. Anyway its under RESULTS on the UCD site: Adv-Beg Archers Also i rounded off the suggested rules, to take into account exceptions to the rule. Remember this is currently only an idea, nothing is final.

12-09-2003, 15:09	#6
DrNickRiviera Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1 Adverts \| Friends	400 seems like a good cut-off point Dermot. I think it'd broaden the scope of intervarsity archery a great deal.

12-09-2003, 16:12	#7
Aryzel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 483 Adverts \| Friends	I'll fix the spellings on of the days, the near 400 thing was just say if someone got 399 or something that they can shoot the 40's its completely their choice but they shouldn't feel they have to shoot the 60's if they prefer 40cm targets. Also i didn't count the Dublin Derby, only the full intervarsities

17-09-2003, 13:35	#9
Turin Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: From Kildare but am living in Dublin at the moment! Posts: 22 Adverts \| Friends	well being that I got the 399 I still dont think that I'm good enough to shoot 40's, I'd probably end up making a show of my self. I think that if hoever someone that did shoot close to 400 then they be given the choice of shooting 40 or 60 but once they make the choice they shoot at that level for the season and can not drop to a 60 if they have a bad day.

17-09-2003, 16:10	#10
Aryzel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 483 Adverts \| Friends	People who score 400+ on the 60's, when they change over to the 40's they will end up scoring 300+ (very rough guess there) and they might be somewhat dissapointed with that. But they will be much better off. Getting from 400 to 500 on the 60's is hard, getting from 300 to 400 on the 40's is significantly easier. Also the people getting 200-350 on the 60's targets might feel somewhat dissapointed if they see other beginners breaking 400, with the new system, 400 becomes a goal that everyone can reach with effort. And for the people who get into advanced, they will have a new goal of getting 400 on the 40's, with is far more achievable than 500 on the 60's. Also 300's are a perfectly decent score, it took me two and a half years to break 400 on any target.

02-12-2003, 12:48	#11
Aryzel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 483 Adverts \| Friends	After the Maynooth Intervarsity; 29th November 2003 The following beginners have score 400+ and are now advanced archers, well done. DCU Niall Brennan DCU Sean Walsh DIT John Donlon GMIT Kenneth Molloy NUIG Brenard McGlinchey UCD Adrian Boland UCD Chris Williams UCD Peter Russell UL Fabrice Ramet UL Liam Leahy Ul Sean Leech A full list of all advanced archers for each university is available on the ucd website under results

02-12-2003, 14:22	#12
shock Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 129 Adverts \| Friends	Yes! I get to shoot on smaller targets!

02-12-2003, 22:00	#13
af666x Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 137 Adverts \| Friends	HEH! Welcome to my world

03-12-2003, 09:07	#14
shock Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 129 Adverts \| Friends	Your World! runs away

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