SAS Operating in Ireland (Republic of)

Fuinseog · 11-01-2011 8:30pm

Dean0088 wrote: »

Anyone ever hear about this?

I've been told countless times that the SAS were known to come down over the border to the Republic to Dublin and Limrick during The Troubles to pick up a few guys they wanted to 'talk to' or maybe just get rid of people.:eek:

I've also been told that a couple of times they were caught (once by an RDF patrol along the border and again by a garda), arrested and then quietly given a lift back up to the border and told to play nice...

Anyone any info on this? Is it true?

Cheers,
Dean.

they often crossed the border to kidnap IRA suspects. i am not sure if the FCA patrolled the border, just the PDF.
they were arrested by the gardai for entering the republic with weapons

Locust · 12-01-2011 9:18am

paky wrote: »

... baby killers every last one of them

Just like the 1998 IRA bomb that ripped apart two irish unborn babies in Omagh? Or the 1993 IRA Warrington explosions that killed two children? or the 1989 shooting of an RAF corporal and his six-month-old child who were killed by IRA gunmen in Germany?

paky wrote: »

. thats not the case. if the british claims to govern 'northern' ireland, whats it doing going around executing its citizens for?

I'd stand behind the SAS shooting to kill any of these IRA members carrying out any of these actions towards human beings....

paky · 12-01-2011 7:30pm

Locust wrote: »

Just like the 1998 IRA bomb that ripped apart two irish unborn babies in Omagh? Or the 1993 IRA Warrington explosions that killed two children? or the 1989 shooting of an RAF corporal and his six-month-old child who were killed by IRA gunmen in Germany?

I'd stand behind the SAS shooting to kill any of these IRA members carrying out any of these actions towards human beings....

im not going to get into a debate with an irish person who worships the sas. you obviously havent a clue what the sas do

cyrusdvirus · 13-01-2011 8:55am

paky wrote: »

im not going to get into a debate with an irish person who worships the sas. you obviously havent a clue what the sas do

No more than any of us will get into a debate with someone who puts the IRA and all their assorted splinter groups on a pedestal and thinks that they should be worshipped.

You say we haven't a clue? I'd be of the opinion that it's you who is lacking in the clue department

RMD · 13-01-2011 6:26pm

paky wrote: »

the only terrorist scum that ever operated in ireland wore british uniforms. bravo two zero is a good read to understand the type of scum the sas is made up of. baby killers every last one of them

I don't want to start up some IRA Vs Brits debate, but it's extremely idiotic to call the SAS babykillers yet hold the IRA up on a pedestal of good actions. The IRA killed hundreds of civilians and plenty of babies in their time. They're just as scummy as the SAS and British soldiers were.

Go tell the families of the 2 children killed during Bloody Friday how noble the PIRA were? Or how about the family of the woman killed in Omagh along with her 2 unborn twins? No matter what faction of the IRA you support, all killed innocent civilians including children. I'm not supporting the BA and shunning the IRA. I'm just putting it as it is, both sides involved in the conflict contained plenty of "babykilling" scum.

goldie fish · 13-01-2011 7:29pm

paky wrote: »

im not going to get into a debate with an irish person who worships the sas. you obviously havent a clue what the sas do

You clearly have no clue what the Provo scum done(do).

BigDuffman · 14-01-2011 4:59pm

paky wrote: »

im not going to get into a debate with an irish person who worships the sas. you obviously havent a clue what the sas do

Oh please do..as it amuses me so:)

flas · 16-01-2011 11:21pm

Locust wrote: »

I doubt that. I'd say they cross train with PSNI? yeah. But armed gardai operating in the north? There'd be holy war. Why? Why when the PSNI's own version - the HMSU/SSU are light years ahead of the ERU in terms of experience and actual operations etc... Can't see ERU being authorised like that. Cross border? (i.e. you go on one side i'll go the other) but to operate 'across the border' is another thing altogether.

any judge or politican from the north in the south on business would be escorted by the eru. it happens, you can doubt it if you like but it happens, regularly. they are escorted in both areas by the same people, say by the psni version on the way down, get to hotel or where ever they are going, then the eru take over, and escort them back up north to their destination where ever it is. same thing goes for irish politicans and judges going back and forth.

Locust · 17-01-2011 8:29am

I doubt the Garda ERU operate in the North. I don't doubt that they would look after VIPs etc... foreign, locals, judges or witness, whatever thats part of their role, yes. I do doubt that they operate north of the border. Thats the point... ERU work the republic, PSNI HMSU work the North and each would meet and take over. I understand that each work their own jurisdictions under their own authority. PSNI stay north, Gardai stay south, for now, unless its a training exercise or exchange program.

cyrusdvirus · 17-01-2011 9:11am

Locust wrote: »

I doubt the Garda ERU operate in the North. I don't doubt that they would look after VIPs etc... foreign, locals, judges or witness, whatever thats part of their role, yes. I do doubt that they operate north of the border. Thats the point... ERU work the republic, PSNI HMSU work the North and each would meet and take over. I understand that each work their own jurisdictions under their own authority. PSNI stay north, Gardai stay south, for now, unless its a training exercise or exchange program.

I wouldn't be so certain. Wasn't there a big hoo-ha about the USSS carrying their guns when Bush came to visit?

Now personally, if I was a VIP who warranted a bodyguard with a sidearm, then i'd want one of my guys with me the whole time, and not be transferring between jurisdictions.

OS119 · 17-01-2011 10:16am

gatecrash wrote: »

I wouldn't be so certain. Wasn't there a big hoo-ha about the USSS carrying their guns when Bush came to visit?

Now personally, if I was a VIP who warranted a bodyguard with a sidearm, then i'd want one of my guys with me the whole time, and not be transferring between jurisdictions.

on the other hand, if you were the BG, wouldn't you be wanting to stay in the juristiction where the RoE and laws on the use of force and the power of arrest were the ones you've trained with every day of your working life - and where the whole command setup that manages each operation was the one that actually had the authority to command a response?

flas · 18-01-2011 4:44am

just saying what happens on this mad little island of ours, believe it or not!

Lorelei · 18-01-2011 7:57pm

They were not SAS rather 2 technicians from 233 Signals Squdron who rather stupidly decided to take a drive through West Belfast. They were wearing uniform with civilian jackets over them and were driving a car common throughout the Brtish Army at the time, only difference was the outside had been sprayed differtent to the standard olive green the inside of the car was still olive green. Hardly an SAS or det type vehlcle..

mbiking123 wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporals_killings

If you take these two guys, reasticially they were probably SAS but we will not be told that. So if british army were arrested in the Republic, they would not admit to being SAS. We may believe they are SAS but in relaity would say British Army etc.

SAS were in Gribraltar and shot dead IRA members, never told they were SAS http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/7/newsid_2516000/2516155.stm

Only thing that showed they were military apparently was they were wearing military style boots and had military weapons.

Very hard to prove someone is in SAS, even british MOD does not admit they are SAS in alot of cases

Lorelei · 18-01-2011 7:59pm

There was no GPS in the seventies

goldie fish wrote: »

If the average boy scout on the hills has one, I expect the sas would too.

Lorelei · 18-01-2011 8:07pm

Should have read this before posting mine.
Completely correct it was believed within the squadron that they decided themselves or rather the one who had been in the province for a while to take a trip through West Belfast.
Only thing I disagree with is the units - at the time 39 Brigade was responsible for Belfast like all Brigades there was a HQ and Signal Squadron also based in Lisburn was 233 Signal Squadron which was the squadron in support of HQNI and had a province wide role in supporting other squadrons.

OS119 wrote: »

the two corporals were not SAS, neither were they 14 int or any other of the 'hairys', they were members of the Royal Signals unit that supported HQNI - the reason they look like something they weren't was because they were in plain clothes and driving a unmarked car. being in plain clothes and driving an unmarked car was actually very common during OP BANNER for those soldiers who job was the support of the Army (technicians, loggies, signallers etc..) because their job required them to visit lots of locations, and there was never the manpower (or threat) to enable them/require them to travel with a large escort in a 'fully toolled -up' manner.

the actual circumstances of their deaths are as tragic as they were foreseeable - one of the Cpls had just arrived in Belfast and was being shown around by the other so he could familiarise himself with the areas he would have to drive through, and how to drive through these areas, in order to do his job. the only unknown (and unknowable) is whether the Cpl doing the showing around got lost/diverted and was 'funnelled' into a location he knew about but didn't want to go to, or whether he was 'big-timing' and deliberately going to place/situation he wasn't trained for.

the incident has long been a case study in how not to operate - there was no 'this is where we're going, this is the route, this is what time we'll be back and this is what will happen if it goes wrong' plan agreed with their unit, 39 Bde or the RUC, they weren't part of the communications net so they couldn't effectively cry for help or be warned off by other assets, and neither of the soldiers had been trained in undercover operations (they had been given a 'this is a Browning 9mm pistol, here's 20 rounds, fire them at that target and go about your business for a year' range package before starting the tour, but that was it).

things changed pretty rapidly afterwards - any soldier in NI who might at any stage need to travel in plain clothes had to do a range, navigation, counter-surveilance and driving package before they went and to do refresher days during their tour. but their CO should still have been fcuking shot.

Lorelei · 18-01-2011 8:11pm

The camp in Germany was Herford at the time home to 4 Division HQ and Signal Regiment and 7 Signal Regiment, approx 1.500 Royal Signals stationed there at any one time.
The E is missing in the German town.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

wasn't one of the guys carrying his id badge for his previous base in Germany, Herevene is it or something like that. I read somewhere that this was mistaken for Hereford, hence the sas rumours.

goldie fish · 18-01-2011 9:14pm

Lorelei wrote: »

There was no GPS in the seventies

Well done einstein. Any chance you'd put my post in context?

Lorelei · 18-01-2011 9:42pm

You seem to have missed the point of my answer.
I agree with your comment earlier about the lack of signage etc and how easy it was to cross the border, and yes the Irish Army and the Garda did wander across from time to time.
I was answering the comment made as to use of GPS to prevent crossing the border and to pinpoint a users exact position. Nowadays they would have GPS of course.
The user name by the way is not Einstein and pesonally I have no intention in getting involved in one of these stupid, childish name calling convesations which so often ruin interesting sensible threads.

da_hambo · 20-01-2011 11:15pm

Regarding the two plain clothes BA soldiers (whatever their unit), I think everyone will agree that the footage shown on Reeling In The Years of their murder is sickening. The way so many people descend on the car is disgusting akin to rats imo, and disgracing this island of ours yet again. Thank God, those troubled days have somewhat turned a bit better.

RMD · 21-01-2011 12:18am

In the case of the corporal killings was it not simply that they had just gotten off duty and decided to drive home via the Falls road (stupidly and apparently against recommendations given) instead of the nearby M1 motorway? Nothing more than a case of wrong place wrong time.

goldie fish · 21-01-2011 1:27am

RMD wrote: »

In the case of the corporal killings was it not simply that they had just gotten off duty and decided to drive home via the Falls road (stupidly and apparently against recommendations given) instead of the nearby M1 motorway? Nothing more than a case of wrong place wrong time.

Was the M1 Complete at that stage?

RMD · 21-01-2011 1:32am

goldie fish wrote: »

Was the M1 Complete at that stage?

I'm not entirely sure if it was the M1 or another nearby motorway, the one I'm talking about that along the back of the Milltown cemetery.

Victor · 21-01-2011 1:41am

goldie fish wrote: »

Was the M1 Complete at that stage?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_motorway_(Northern_Ireland)

Junctions 1 to 6 opened on 10 July 1962

goldie fish · 21-01-2011 1:54am

Ah, didn't realise. Used to always enter through Lisburn.(or train)

martic · 26-01-2011 1:30am

Steyr wrote: »

AT 10.40pm on May 5 1976 SAS soldiers Illisoni Ligairi and John Lawson were stopped at an Irish army/Garda checkpoint on the Flagstaff Road between Newry and Omeath.

Here's an article that may interest some.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/fiji/1344426/Fijian-coup-colonel-took-part-in-SAS-blunder.html

Funfair · 26-01-2011 6:09pm

da_hambo wrote: »

Regarding the two plain clothes BA soldiers (whatever their unit), I think everyone will agree that the footage shown on Reeling In The Years of their murder is sickening. The way so many people descend on the car is disgusting akin to rats imo, and disgracing this island of ours yet again. Thank God, those troubled days have somewhat turned a bit better.

The funeral was for a young man murdered the week before at the Gibraltar 3 Funeral (Who were also Murdered). A car comes backwards around a corner at high speed into the funeral path and you say your suprised at the way people acted?

A lot of people on here really haven't a clue about what went on in the troubles and the shameful way so call irish people support the BA or SAS on here is sickening

Lorelei · 26-01-2011 7:56pm

"Backwards at high speed" you were there?
Sickening the way people support the people responsible for the carnage amongst civilians on Bloody Friday in Belfast, or Omagh or Claudy. The "young man" whose funeral it was was supposed to be a soldier according to the beliefs of people like you, soldiers get killed which is why I don't class the M62 coach bombing which included a couple of civilians or the mini bus with Lisburn soldiers returning from a chartiy match.

And please ensure that we do not remembet the Para sergeant who threw himself on top of a suitcase thrown into the public room of the RUC Springfield which was filled with civilians from the area. I think we can savely assume that those people were not particularly keen on the British Army.

What was the name of the Provo/UVF soldier who did a similar thing? Oh there wasn't one!

charlemont · 26-01-2011 8:07pm

da_hambo wrote: »

Regarding the two plain clothes BA soldiers (whatever their unit), I think everyone will agree that the footage shown on Reeling In The Years of their murder is sickening. The way so many people descend on the car is disgusting akin to rats imo, and disgracing this island of ours yet again. Thank God, those troubled days have somewhat turned a bit better.

Not sickened at all by it..

Lorelei · 26-01-2011 8:44pm

The scenes of supposedly decent human beings kicking and ripping 2 members of their own species apart and acting in a way wild beasts such as sharks, big cats etc act you don't find sickening unless of course you classify yourself and such people as the same as wild animals. Interesting.
I don't classify those who committed the act as I can quite understand their feeling that way as I have done myself but was able to control the feelings.
I cannot believe that any human cannot be sickened by those sites.
Maybe though you don't belong to the same species as the rest of us Charlemont!!

charlemont · 26-01-2011 8:54pm

Lorelei wrote: »

The scenes of supposedly decent human beings kicking and ripping 2 members of their own species apart and acting in a way wild beasts such as sharks, big cats etc act you don't find sickening unless of course you classify yourself and such people as the same as wild animals. Interesting.
I don't classify those who committed the act as I can quite understand their feeling that way as I have done myself but was able to control the feelings.
I cannot believe that any human cannot be sickened by those sites.
Maybe though you don't belong to the same species as the rest of us Charlemont!!

Im special, Iv my own species..

SAS Operating in Ireland (Republic of)

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