Legalize Cannabis Ireland

MagicSean wrote: »

It's not a human right according to any court I've ever heard of. Perhaps you need a reality check as to what basic human rights are because not being allowed get high is nowhere near the atrocity you think it is.

I never said anything about any court, I said I think it should be a human right to have the freedom to try drugs.

Your dismissive argument of "you should get into politics and do something about it" is nonsense too, I have a full time job. I elect people to do this stuff but as with all political doorstep promises they seem to forget they made them once they've gotten the power that they wanted.

Maybe you could, but you claimed it was for health reasons. And then you added the law against homosexuality in as being passed for health reasons, just so you could try bring them to an even level.

I think you might be confusing me with another poster, or just confused I don't know what you mean by that.

The main reasons would be the medicinal benefits to some serious illness, the pain relief effects, the potential revenue to te government and the damage it would do to dealers. These are the resons it will eventually be legalised to some extent. "I can do what I want" is not a valid reason at all.

You dismissed all these reasons already.

Daddio wrote: »

Rotterdam city center is not populated by pot-addled and befuddled amnesiac wanderers on a Friday/Saturday night, but by the usual little groups of drunken teenage girls wearing too little, the odd gang of lads acting the gob****e, and the loners who have had one tequila too many and stumbling their way to the last tram.

That was pretty shocking alright. I decided to get out of Amsterdam last time I was there and went down to Rotterdam. There was mobs of kids fighting each other right in the centre of town, I decided to et out of there turned around and got the metro only to find the fight broke out on my train then, you wouldn't even see that craic in Dublin. Also very hard to find a coffeeshop.

keithclancy wrote: »

Shouldn't this thread be 'Decriminalise Cannabis'

Whats this legal craic about?

Fully legalise, decriminalisation doesn't stop the dealers.

Ush1 wrote: »

I need it for Crohns disease, needs to be made legal.

It is people like you i feel really sorry for. People that need it. It should be made out right legal. No question about it. But to make you contact drug dealers and commite a crime to get what you need is simple wrong.

I hate society sometimes.

Hope you get well soon.

ScumLord wrote: »

That was pretty shocking alright. I decided to get out of Amsterdam last time I was there and went down to Rotterdam. There was mobs of kids fighting each other right in the centre of town, I decided to et out of there turned around and got the metro only to find the fight broke out on my train then, you wouldn't even see that craic in Dublin. Also very hard to find a coffeeshop.

Yup, while Rotterdam has its nice areas for going out and having a quiet beer or two, the main nightclub areas are chaos - and it's certainly not down to people smoking weed!

Anyway, I don't want to sound pessimistic nor do I want to put down the important hard work and passion of the legalize cannabis groups, but I feel it's a long way off in Ireland. Governmental politics all over the world is not about belief or even sensible logic, but about how you appear to the majority of the electorate. I couldn't see any of the major parties making public pushes to legalise cannabis for fears of 'rocking the boat'. Having said that, it would be an even longer way off if there aren't people out there putting it on the agenda.

ScumLord wrote: »

Cobh wouldn't be a port in the same way Rotterdam or Dublin would be, Rotterdam's one of the largest ports in the world and it really is a lovely city, but at night there seemed to be huge gangs of literally hundreds of young people fighting each other.

Drugs and Hookers, Cobh is rife with it.
Theres been times where the Gardai there have had to lock themselves in the station and wait until enough units can turn up from Cork City.

I don't see the point in decriminalisation if your trying to combat crime. It just going to give the criminal gangs easier access to more people. Full legalisation means companies growing it, shops selling it and taxes flowing back to the government. Amsterdam has decriminalisation but it also has the coffeeshops that collect taxes on it. Just decriminalisation means no tax will be collected, criminals still grow it and criminals still sell it.

Decriminalisation stops the Police wasting their time on people consuming it.

Medical cannabis is a no brainer, it should have happened all ready and it's just cruelty on the part of the government to not allow sick people to use the drug.

True, if you have cancer or something then why not.
I have a mate with Chron's disease, weed does nothing for him except make him feel sick, he prefers beer. Doctor said its bad for him but sure at least he's not totally miserable.

Legalisation goes beyond that and takes recreational cannabis users out of the hands of criminals and is a real financial attack on organised crime.

Nah, the Cops here still target the growers here.

Weed makes people stupid in the long term thats from my personal experience and it does affect people psychologically.

Smoke away, but I for one would vote no for it to be legalised, mainly because then the state is saying its 'ok' and would become responsible for all of the problems that come with it.

keithclancy wrote: »

Decriminalisation stops the Police wasting their time on people consuming it.

It doesn't, it just stops people getting arrested for small amounts. Guards time will still be taken up processing arrests and criminals will make more money out of the drug.

Weed makes people stupid in the long term thats from my personal experience and it does affect people psychologically.

That's not true in my experience, I know plenty of proffesionals that smoke weed.

Smoke away, but I for one would vote no for it to be legalised, mainly because then the state is saying its 'ok' and would become responsible for all of the problems that come with it.

I don't see that happening at all. By all accounts consumption goes down with removing restrictions to drugs.

paddyandy wrote: »

Legalising Cannabis will not keep out the Criminal elements .That's a certainty and when soft drugs are available the Hard drugs are never far away .That's another certainty .There are vested interests here pushing the boundaries to bring in legislation legalising Cannabis .They might have huge stocks somewhere to download gradually on to the markets .If they get their way then Ireland will become another South American Barrio or closer ; Naples see the Camorro documentary on the RTE Player online. Parts of Ireland might resemble parts of Naples 20 years from now .

That's just not true. Illegal cannabis is worth way more than legal stuff. It suits people involved in the illegal sale of drugs to keep them illegal. In California it's the illegal growers that opposed law changes the most as they won't make as much money from selling it and they'll have to put up with genuine competition that they won't be able to intimidate out of the market.

keithclancy wrote: »

Ugh, no, it does, its stops the police wasting their time on people consuming it. Explain how it doesn't stop the Police wasting their time on consumers if they don't have to charge them anymore ?

Well there will be a cut off, so depending on the amount Police may have to get weed measured. Even if they don't arrest the person they still had to use up resources to make sure the person had a accepted amount. It will also mean they have reduced methods of actually finding the gangs supplying as the end user will no longer be under any obligation to rat out the person that sold them the drug.

For me it would be brilliant but for society at large it does little and it won't affect the bottom line for criminals.

Me too, and long term it doesn't work out, know a few people with mental health problems, sleeping problems, short term memory loss.

Sleeping problems do occur. Cannabis basically replaces the role of the chemical that helps you sleep. It's all fine and dandy getting to sleep when your smoking but once you try and stop you will find it hard to sleep for the first two weeks. That's with constant regular use, it doesn't happen if you smoke a spliff every now and again. The rest just isn't true. Cannabis doesn't really cause metal problems in the majority of people and the short term memory loss isn't as pronounced as people say it is. I've learned how to use very advanced software like After effects and photoshop and I have no problem remembering how to use the programs. I and just about everyone I know have been smoking for more than 10 years, when should we expect these problems to kick in?

Also its not exactly a social thing to do people just don't socialise anymore, they'll sit on their hole at home smoking weed and watching episodes of star trek while eating cheese on toast.

More incorrect assumptions. Smokers stick together and because you can't just go to the shop and buy it you have to be part of a loop of people that know where to get it.

Based on what ?

Amsterdam has one of the lowest uses of cannabis in Europe, Portugal has seen reductions in drug use since they decriminalised all drugs. Portugal isn't unique there either, every country that has decriminalised drug use has seen reductions in drug use.

Regardless, you have your experience, I have mine, long term its bad for you.

I haven't seen that happening with any smoker I know.

ScumLord wrote: »

Well there will be a cut off, so depending on the amount Police may have to get weed measured. Even if they don't arrest the person they still had to use up resources to make sure the person had a accepted amount. It will also mean they have reduced methods of actually finding the gangs supplying as the end user will no longer be under any obligation to rat out the person that sold them the drug.

For me it would be brilliant but for society at large it does little and it won't affect the bottom line for criminals.

Nah, for the 10 people they don't have to hassle then they can catch a$$holes that turn honest hard working peoples houses into grow houses.

Sleeping problems do occur. Cannabis basically replaces the role of the chemical that helps you sleep. It's all fine and dandy getting to sleep when your smoking but once you try and stop you will find it hard to sleep for the first two weeks. That's with constant regular use, it doesn't happen if you smoke a spliff every now and again. The rest just isn't true. Cannabis doesn't really cause metal problems in the majority of people and the short term memory loss isn't as pronounced as people say it is. I've learned how to use very advanced software like After effects and photoshop and I have no problem remembering how to use the programs. I and just about everyone I know have been smoking for more than 10 years, when should we expect these problems to kick in?

Course it does, it changes your mental state, anything that changes your mental state on a regular basis can affect your mental health.

More incorrect assumptions. Smokers stick together and because you can't just go to the shop and buy it you have to be part of a loop of people that know where to get it.

Exactly, if its decriminalized/legal like it is here then you can go to the shop and just buy it, no more social aspect to it.

You can just buy it, then wake up in the morning and have a nice bit fat joint to get you started for the day.

Amsterdam has one of the lowest uses of cannabis in Europe, Portugal has seen reductions in drug use since they decriminalised all drugs. Portugal isn't unique there either, every country that has decriminalised drug use has seen reductions in drug use.

I think your talking about the survey that said the Dutch are amongst the lowest in Europe (based on surveys in schools)

Amsterdam has always been known as having a much higher rate of cannabis users than other cities, (1997 National Average 15.6%, Amsterdam 36.7%)

I haven't seen that happening with any smoker I know.

I have, and here its completely open, the reason the Dutch don't smoke it is because they see here openly what it does to people.

keithclancy wrote: »

Also its not exactly a social thing to do people just don't socialise anymore, they'll sit on their hole at home smoking weed and watching episodes of star trek while eating cheese on toast.

Yeah its better to go out and get hammered drunk and get into fights every weekend. That will def free up the guards time!!

keithclancy wrote: »

Course it does, it changes your mental state, anything that changes your mental state on a regular basis can affect your mental health.

Like coffee, paracetemol, ciggarettes, beer, green tea..................shall I got on. Do you want these substances banned too??

Exactly, if its decriminalized/legal like it is here then you can go to the shop and just buy it, no more social aspect to it.

Would you prefer people went to some dodgy dealer that is both untaxed and untregulated and buy it there or would you prefer this dealer was put out of business by have a legal alternative??

keithclancy wrote: »

Also its not exactly a social thing to do people just don't socialise anymore, they'll sit on their hole at home smoking weed and watching episodes of star trek while eating cheese on toast.

I'm sure Bill Bailey does that and he seems to be doing ok for himself :pac:

MagicSean wrote: »

can't really smoke anything can you? unless you plan on bringing brownies to the pub that won't change.

well dont be complaining that smokers are being anti-social then :rolleyes:

A very good watch.