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A shotgun wedding in Fermanagh?

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  • #62
    Aineoil
    Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    are travellers seriously considered a different ethnic group by some people? different culture yes, ethnicity I think not.

    In Northern Ireland and the UK travellers are considered an ethnic group, in the Republic of Ireland they aren't.


  • #63
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    kingchess wrote: »
    They should be mighty craic at the reception after this,I wonder which hotel has the honour of hosting the blushing bride and bashful groom?.

    Heard it was in the Slieve Russell.


  • #64
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    On BBC1 tv news 22:00 now.


  • #65
    irishgirl19
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭irishgirl19


    Irelandcool wrote:
    Why didn't the priest perform the last rites instead of doing the wedding and the sacrament of sick.


    Thought that myself actually.


  • #66
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Northern-Stranded/764785686930582


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  • #67
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,057 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    are travellers seriously considered a different ethnic group by some people? different culture yes, ethnicity I think not.

    Depends what you mean by 'ethnicity'.. they don't need to be a different color or speak a different language to be considered an ethnic group of their own.
    ethnicity is a socially defined category of people who identify with each other based on common ancestral, social, cultural or national experience

    And according to researchers they are
    THE first DNA analysis of the Travelling community has proven that it is a distinct ethnic minority who separated from the settled community between 1,000 and 2,000 years ago, experts have claimed.

    According to genetics expert Jim Wilson from the University of Edinburgh, though it is clear Travellers diverged from the settled community, it is not clear why.

    He said Travellers are a distinct genetic group as different from the settled Irish as Icelanders are from Norwegians.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/dna-study-travellers-a-distinct-ethnicity-156324.html

    I don't think they should be afforded any special rights as result but there ya go! They're likely to be recognised as a distinct ethnic group before the end of the year due to sustained pressure from the UN.
    The Committee requested the State to ensure that the Roma and the Travellers were recognized as minority ethnic groups. This had been called for by various United Nations human rights treaty bodies. Those communities had lower life expectancy and higher suicide rates. The State party should take more proactive steps in addressing the existing situation.

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=14862&LangID=E


  • #68
    Boring username
    Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Boring username


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Depends what you mean by 'ethnicity'.. they don't need to be a different color or speak a different language to be considered an ethnic group of their own.



    And according to researchers they are



    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/dna-study-travellers-a-distinct-ethnicity-156324.html

    I don't think they should be afforded any special rights as result but there ya go! They're likely to be recognised as a distinct ethnic group before the end of the year due to sustained pressure from the UN.



    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=14862&LangID=E

    I can see Martin Collins licking his lips already. Maybe they'll even have a few slash hook attack investigations quietly dropped on the grounds of 'cultural sensitivity'.


  • #69
    anncoates
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    Seems obvious by the quotes attributed to the priest (about the family being anxious to get her married) that he was terrified to do otherwise.

    What normal person wants to get involved in their lunatic, fcuking internecine bloodbaths?


  • #70
    mcko
    Registered Users Posts: 750 ✭✭✭mcko


    and they wonder why they can't get served.


  • #71
    Odyssey 2005
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    The priest just said on the radio that the mother of the bride wanted the marriage of her 17 year old daughter to her 16 year old husband to be:eek::eek:


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  • #72
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    You never can tell /Chuck Berry
    It was a traveller wedding, and the old folks wished them well
    You could see that John Pius did truly love the Beor
    And now the young monsieur and madame have robbed the poor box,
    "C'est la vie", say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell

    They furnished off an caravan with a bit of carpet
    The hiace was crammed with carpets and TVs,
    But when John Pius found gold, the little money comin' worked out well
    "C'est la vie", say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell

    They had a hi-fi phono, boy, did they let it blast
    Seven hundred little records, all Joe dolan and johnny Cash
    But when the sun went down, the bare Knuckle boxing began
    "C'est la vie", say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell

    They bought a souped-up Hiace, 'twas a cherry red '03,
    They drove it down to Ratheen to celebrate the anniversary
    It was there that John Pius was married to the lovely Beor
    "C'est la vie", say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell


  • #73
    anncoates
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    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    boy, did they let it blast

    Smooth. :pac:


  • #74
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    "He said Travellers are a distinct genetic group as different from the settled Irish as Icelanders are from Norwegians.". I'd love to know how he came to that wild conclusion, given that Icelanders have Norwegian, Swedish Irish and British genes floating about and some even older oddball stuff. Even if Travellers separated 1000 years ago(and I'd like to see the hard science behind that claim), they wouldn't be as different. Narrower than the main population because of generations of intermarriage alright.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #75
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    In a nutshell, when a group of people close them self off from the outside & breed only with those amongst themselves, over time they will become genetically distinct.

    But only because the rest of the population diversified & mixed its gene pool, not because they are different to begin with.


  • #76
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Wibbs wrote: »
    "He said Travellers are a distinct genetic group as different from the settled Irish as Icelanders are from Norwegians."

    I doubt the Norwegians have Icelanders breaking thier homes. running sulkies up and down the road and up in court for robbing


  • #77
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,024 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Rumour around the campfire is that it was a revenge attack by Big John Joe The Boss of All Men Joyce after they fcuked him up machete with a side order of amonia in face style at a funeral a while back

    They told Joyce he was safe to attend little did the big man know it was a trap

    The adventure continues


  • #78
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Wibbs wrote: »
    "He said Travellers are a distinct genetic group as different from the settled Irish as Icelanders are from Norwegians.". I'd love to know how he came to that wild conclusion, given that Icelanders have Norwegian, Swedish Irish and British genes floating about and some even older oddball stuff. Even if Travellers separated 1000 years ago(and I'd like to see the hard science behind that claim), they wouldn't be as different. Narrower than the main population because of generations of intermarriage alright.

    By the very loose definition of what constitutes and ethnic group, Trekies have better claim to minority status with their own form of dress, language, culture and customs. Of course I'd never grant them ethnic minorty status either, it would only encourage their sectarian feuding with the StarWars nutters.


  • #79
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Still its great when you can get the wedding Photographer and the Crime Scene team for the one price bet it saves a few bob, What Boss?


  • #80
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Odyssey 2005 wrote: »
    The priest just said on the radio that the mother of the bride wanted the marriage of her 17 year old daughter to her 16 year old husband to be:eek::eek:

    Its mad you can actually get married that young.


  • #81
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Its mad you can actually get married that young.

    that is nothing ..... there was a priest marrying them at 15 and 16.

    anywhere over 20 in the Traveller community and you are shop soiled goods


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  • #82
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Its mad you can actually get married that young.

    Ain't the catholic church great!

    That was the shotgun wedding, can't wait to see what's in store for the christening in a couple of months!


  • #83
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    That was the shotgun wedding, can't wait to see what's in store for the christening in a couple of months!
    Unlikely. Traveller culture frowns on sex outside marriage. Far fewer single mothers within their community compared to the rest of Ireland.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #84
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,433 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Where does the money come from for these lavish weddings?


  • #85
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Unlikely. Traveller culture frowns on sex outside marriage. Far fewer single mothers within their community compared to the rest of Ireland.

    So a year then.

    The father wont be old enough to have a drink to celebrate.


  • #86
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Where does the money come from for these lavish weddings?

    Shame on you at a time like this suggesting it was gotten from somewhere other than social welfare ......
    still all the same....the Sieve russel dont come cheap... bet they sold a lot of gates


  • #87
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Where does the money come from for these lavish weddings?

    Gifted, courtesy of Jon & Jane Taxpayer.

    With fondest congratulations of course.


  • #88
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »

    The father wont be old enough to have a drink to celebrate.

    you think that will stop him?


  • #89
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    that is nothing ..... there was a priest marrying them at 15 and 16.

    anywhere over 20 in the Traveller community and you are shop soiled goods

    It's a disgusting way to think, these kids should be in school, not getting married. The bride will be destined to be a housewife and mother when she's just a kid herself. Some culture.


  • #90
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭conorhal


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Ain't the catholic church great!

    That was the shotgun wedding, can't wait to see what's in store for the christening in a couple of months!

    The Catholic Church have nothing to do with it, marriage is a state institution and the laws governing it and the age at which marriage are permissible are on the statute books not the mass epistle


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  • #91
    jelutong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭jelutong


    One Wedding and a Funeral.


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