Limerick school apologises for Charlie Hebdo

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Well considering the fact that having lived in Limerick for 24 years in total, I think I know quite well what the limits are. Not just amongst me and my friends, but also strangers who I'd get a laugh with and any of my friends that came here from other countries, regardless of race/religion or any other minority defining property always welcome the slagging and are well able to be up for the craic and know that we aren't trying to insult anyone, just having a laugh.

Good stuff, no different than anywhere else then, and certainly a long way from your hysterics about Muslims taking over your city.

Well I wasn't kicked out, I was threatened. I don't think the religious connection to schools has disappeared in the last 10 years maaaaan..

Something else we agree on, and if anything religious connections in schools are only perpetuated by the existence of ET schools which aim to respect all faiths and none (dropped the ball on this occasion, but nobody died, so there's no need for hysterics).

So what about the people who sent their children to the school where freedom of speech is supposedly respected? I'd be confident that those parents would be quite annoyed that this is setting the precedent that the other kids need to tip toe their way around certain aspects of life. Why should they be effectively told to shut up because 1 pupil took offence to a f*cking drawing. Remember, people were murdered in cold blood because of that. This is 2015, not the middle ages.

You're still missing the point of an ET school. The ethos of the school is NOT free speech, and any parents that sent their child to the school with the idea of free speech in mind were unfortunately either misled, or simply misguided. Nobody's told them to shut up though, it was an 11 year old child who asked that the teacher put the magazine away as it was offensive. The showing of the magazine simply flew in the face of the school's ethos. The whole idea of the school is to respect all faiths and none, in 2015.

"Oh really? I didn't know that", I would've said that if I was still 4 years old. I know. I lived there you see and I learn things about the world and the countries I visit/live. For once you are right, the brits/irish did do that, but you know what? That has nothing to do with the fact that I moved there, whilst Canada is at peace from a civil perspective and I tried my best to do as they do. So, in short, your point is pointless.

I didn't bring up Canada, you did, which was neither here nor there but I said I'd let you run with it to see if you had a point. It turns out Muslims aren't taking over Canada either, not on your watch at least.

I'm ignorant because I have an opinion on the matter and because it would affect me directly? Should I just shut my mouth and say nothing if something I've been used to all the time suddenly changes because certain immigrants don't want to integrate into our society? What do you want to happen? Ethnically separated areas? That'll be worse, take a look at the UK pal. Multiculturalism is fine, but only if it means you integrate into the society that has given you the opportunity to become a part of it.

Muslims ARE intergrating into our society, and our society is changing because of their intergration. You're aiming your ire at the wrong target here. There were multi-denominational ET schools in Ireland for the last 20 years, before this child was ever even born, before his father ever came to Ireland. Therefore the family were simply intergrating into Irish society by sending their son to an ET school.

How is it ironic? I'm talking about not taking offence to a drawing and having the craic, not getting lashed because of religion. Stop going on about insane edge cases.

You claimed that immigrants should "live as we do", and I said if we ourselves were still to "live as we did", your indifference to religion would not be tolerated. That's not talking about edge cases, it's only going back 20 years in Irish society. You wouldn't take offence to the drawing, grand, but you do realise that Irish society is made up of many more people who do not share your opinion?

Your idea of having the craic isn't necessarily someone else's idea of having the craic, and in a lesson about the French Revolution, I can't imagine the craic was mighty. Quite the opposite in fact when it was a peasant revolution that brought about a secular state. Then the French went on to colonise many North African countries, including of course, Algeria. So much for intergrating with the natives!

Am, you do know the Life of Brian was banned from Ireland don't you? How is that clever satire in terms of the period that was released and trying to push it on the extremely conservative Catholic majority Irish market where you couldn't even buy johnnys or have a child before marriage? I'm sure Irish people living in England shut their mouths because it was an English movie and they lived in England. Charlie Hebdo is a FRENCH publication. They didn't exactly release the f*cking thing in Tehran, Mecca, Istanbul or Islamabad.

Ehh, you brought up Malcolm X, I don't think there were too many black Muslims in Ireland when Malcolm X was released either. The Life of Brian is clever satire, the film itself. Malcolm X is just depressing. They didn't have to release Charlie Hebdo in Tehran, etc when a fifth of the population in France are Muslim!

Oh here comes the real irony. You clearly are after political correctness if you are saying we need to tiptoe around certain topics.

I never said we had to tiptoe around certain topics at all, I said quite the opposite if you were paying attention. It's the ethos of the ET school that says they have to tiptoe around certain topics and respect all faiths and none. You're not doing that if you pull out a magazine with a depiction of Mohammed on it in the presence of Muslim children!

What if they were in history class and they spoke of WW1 and 2 and also Ireland under British rule and there happened to be an English or German child in the class? Would they have to right to complain because they feel singled out?

Of course they have a right to complain. We all have a right to complain about the things we object to. That's what you did when you were in school, and that's no different to what this child did in school. You seem to have this idea though that only you are entitled to complain and nobody else is. Whether anyone will take your complaint seriously or not is another matter entirely.

What if they were in a sex ed class and the child was a devout catholic?

Their parents have a right to opt their child out of the class.

What if they were in cooking class and a jewish child attended the pork chop cooking class?

I dunno, never heard of it happening, probably because nobody complained.

There's an infinite amount of things that could offend anyone, it's impossible to get around them all without having a totally PC society. My point is, if they come to a place where their standards are not the norm, then tough ****. Get over it and integrate or don't take offence. Otherwise f*ck off.

Hmm, that'll encourage people to take your complaint seriously alright... or just more likely they'll tell you to fcuk off, get over it, etc. That's not what happened here though. The ET school set the standard which was the norm, and the child was adhering to that standard by requesting that the teacher respect his religion.

Yeah I didn't, but the thing is, apostasy isn't punishable by death here. It's a different case. If they are practicing muslims and aren't known as apostates, and don't want to be part of our culture without compromising it, then go to a country that is willing to be PC. Try Canada, they are fairly PC. I will continue to voice my opinion on the matter whenever the topic arises because if you don't like our my ways, then tough sh!t.

Fixed that for you. By all means voice your opinion (no such thing as free speech on Boards though ), but as I said earlier, whether anyone chooses to take you seriously or not is another matter entirely. The family in this case DO want to be part of our culture, and I don't see any reason to leap to hysterics that they'll be taking over your city any time soon.

RWCNT wrote: »

What's your point?

ja political correctness rabel rabel init

shock horror,easily offended persons move countries to a nation full of hard drinking Catholics and gets offended when said people act differently to those who they left behind ...

its fckin ridiculous ,why the hell do they move somewhere where there views are not shared and then demand that the host people change to suit them ..mind boggling arrogance

Please excuse my ignorance, but is it a sin for some Muslims to look upon an image of their prophet or is it only the person who draws or distributes the image committing a sin?

Like if a Muslim went to buy or borrow a copy of the magazine or looked up the image online because they wanted to look at the image to see what all the talk was about, would they be sinning by doing so, or would it still only be the artist and/or distributor who was the sinner?

If when the magazine was produced in class, would it have been a sin in the Muslim religion for the child to take the magazine and look at it?

Not sure if "sin" is the right word.

I see the little muslim boy was educated about Charlie Hebdo as he certainly new how to react when shown the paper.

I presume he was educated by his parents in an open, unbiased manner so that he could form an opinion of his own and take part in the discussion.