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Metallic iron added to cereals

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    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Processed cereals are horrible for you anyway. I'd be more worried about the sugar than the iron.

    Eat oats. Or eggs. Or fruit.


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    Seanachai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭Seanachai


    I'm well on that one , haven't eaten a regular breakfast cereal in years. I'm thinking of other people inc my own family some of them aren't really open to diet advice. If you crush the cereal and put it on some thin paper you should be able to move the iron with a strong magnet. According to the article the Special K etc sold in Denmark is metallic iron free.


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    king_of_inismac
    Registered Users Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭king_of_inismac


    Seanachai wrote: »
    I'm well on that one , haven't eaten a regular breakfast cereal in years. I'm thinking of other people inc my own family some of them aren't really open to diet advice. If you crush the cereal and put it on some thin paper you should be able to move the iron with a strong magnet. According to the article the Special K etc sold in Denmark is metallic iron free.

    is there such a thing as non metallic iron?


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    Alf Veedersane
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    The Danes banned fortification of cereals, which also means Special K in Denmark is also free of the vitamin c, calcium, folic acid etc.

    And nutritional value...buut that's not the Danes' fault.


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    papu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    king_of_inismac wrote: »
    is there such a thing as non metallic iron?

    Definitely not. I assume he means ferromagnetic iron?


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    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    papu wrote: »
    Definitely not. I assume he means ferromagnetic iron?
    The article says metallic iron a few times.
    Besides, isn't all iron ferromagnetic also


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    colman1212
    Registered Users Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭colman1212


    Hold on a minute... People crushing up breakfast cereal and using a strong magnet to remove the iron? Really?...Really??


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    DesperateDan
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    Iron is essential to for the body to function properly and the WHO reckon anaemia is one of the most common nutrient deficiencies in the world. It's the new fluoride all over again :pac:


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    DesperateDan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭DesperateDan


    colman1212 wrote: »
    Hold on a minute... People crushing up breakfast cereal and using a strong magnet to remove the iron? Really?...Really??

    A quick google shows there are many scientific 'lesson plans' for kids to observe iron in their cereals. That's the only reason this would be legitimately done.


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    Seanachai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭Seanachai


    DesperateDan wrote: »
    Iron is essential to for the body to function properly and the WHO reckon anaemia is one of the most common nutrient deficiencies in the world. It's the new fluoride all over again :pac:

    It's essential for the body to function but is there not a more natural absorbable form that they could use?. I get ill if I take even a teaspoon of an iron supplement. I'm not even going to start with the fluoride I've taken a position where I avoid it myself and let other people make their own minds up , I'm not trying to convert anymore. Ditto with organic vs non organic food do what you like. I just don't like the fact that GM ingredients aren't clearly labelled such as Vit C in fruit juices coming from GM maize , very sneaky.


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    Blacktie.
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    Seanachai wrote: »
    It's essential for the body to function but is there not a more natural absorbable form that they could use?

    You could just not eat cereal for breakfast. It's a big bowl of sugar anyway. Make your iron source red meat.


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    cc87
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    Doesnt the calcium in the milk most people put in their cereal stop iron absorption anyway?


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    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Seanachai wrote: »
    It's essential for the body to function but is there not a more natural absorbable form that they could use?. I get ill if I take even a teaspoon of an iron supplement. I'm not even going to start with the fluoride I've taken a position where I avoid it myself and let other people make their own minds up , I'm not trying to convert anymore. Ditto with organic vs non organic food do what you like. I just don't like the fact that GM ingredients aren't clearly labelled such as Vit C in fruit juices coming from GM maize , very sneaky.

    If it's Vitamin C it's Vitamin C. Who gives a flying fup if the origin was GM corn? Do you think it's haunted or something?

    I suppose the first warning sign was fluoride. What's it doing this time, stealing socks so that you end up with mismatched pairs? First you were suppressing my chakras, now this. Damn you fluoride!!!


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    Alf Veedersane
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    cc87 wrote: »
    Doesnt the calcium in the milk most people put in their cereal stop iron absorption anyway?

    It inhbits it rather than stopping absorption of iron.

    The vitamin c is there to aid absorption.


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    mkdon05
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    I don't know why they add iron to cereals but I definitely know that a lot of people in Ireland absord too much iron from food (hemochromatosis), not everyone but it is considered a Celtic condition. So the likes of avonmore adding iron to milk baffles me.

    It's a life threatening condition if it's not managed properly. I used to take vitamins not realising they were doing me more harm than good.

    Just something to be aware about.


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    Seanachai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭Seanachai


    Zillah wrote: »
    If it's Vitamin C it's Vitamin C. Who gives a flying fup if the origin was GM corn? Do you think it's haunted or something?

    I suppose the first warning sign was fluoride. What's it doing this time, stealing socks so that you end up with mismatched pairs? First you were suppressing my chakras, now this. Damn you fluoride!!!

    I'm not willing to take the risk the jury is still out on if GM is safe , I could get sick anyway but I'd rather limit the risk. Knock yourself out though. Have a tall cool one of Ireland's finest tap water , tastes like [EMAIL="s*@t"]s*@t[/EMAIL] but it's free for the time being anyway.


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    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Seanachai wrote: »
    I'm not willing to take the risk the jury is still out on if GM is safe

    The very question displays ignorance. It's like asking if "chemicals" are safe. Some are, some aren't. You can GM a crop to do something safe, like making more Vitamin C, or you could GM it to do something harmful, like be full of neurotoxin. There is no guess work involved, they know what genes they are working with, they know what those genes do. The only people opposed to GM technology are people who don't understand it.

    It is not being used very ethically in the context of our capitalist system, but that's different to the technology itself.


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    papu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    Mellor wrote: »
    The article says metallic iron a few times.
    Besides, isn't all iron ferromagnetic also

    No it's not it depends on what the local environment around it is , in Bulk yes , but in the body where it is in iron complexes it is not ferromagnetic , or else MRI's would be very very messy..


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    Seanachai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭Seanachai


    Zillah wrote: »
    The very question displays ignorance. It's like asking if "chemicals" are safe. Some are, some aren't. You can GM a crop to do something safe, like making more Vitamin C, or you could GM it to do something harmful, like be full of neurotoxin. There is no guess work involved, they know what genes they are working with, they know what those genes do. The only people opposed to GM technology are people who don't understand it.

    It is not being used very ethically in the context of our capitalist system, but that's different to the technology itself.

    The question does display ignorance , I am ignorant of some facts which is why I asked a question but thanks for the lofty tone. Please have some patience o mighty logitician with us more right brained souls. I thought somebody with a scientific background might be able to shed some light on if using the metallic form of iron could potentially be toxic. Are you a bright by any chance?.

    http://subversivethinking.blogspot.ie/2012/05/stephen-bond-and-why-i-am-no-longer.html

    I'm speaking as somebody who has bad reactions to certain chemicals and foods , if I walk into a fresly painted room I'll have blinding headaches. I'm not sure the scientists who seem pretty intelligent and well qualified to comment would agree that they are lacking in understanding. Lacking in funding and mainstream media support maybe.


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    papu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    Seanachai wrote: »
    The question does display ignorance , I am ignorant of some facts which is why I asked a question but thanks for the lofty tone. Please have some patience o mighty logitician with us more right brained souls. I thought somebody with a scientific background might be able to shed some light on if using the metallic form of iron could potentially be toxic. Are you a bright by any chance?.

    http://subversivethinking.blogspot.ie/2012/05/stephen-bond-and-why-i-am-no-longer.html

    I'm speaking as somebody who has bad reactions to certain chemicals and foods , if I walk into a fresly painted room I'll have blinding headaches. I'm not sure the scientists who seem pretty intelligent and well qualified to comment would agree that they are lacking in understanding. Lacking in funding and mainstream media support maybe.

    ALL IRON IS METALLIC , it will never be insulating , it will never be semiconducting ,it is always metallic.

    The body has no natural pathways to get rid of iron so it builds up over time.Too much Iron is bad , Not enough iron is bad , if you're genetically prone to building up iron in your system it is also bad.


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    gctest50
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    Zillah wrote: »
    If it's Vitamin C it's Vitamin C. Who gives a flying fup if the origin was GM corn? Do you think it's haunted or something?

    I suppose the first warning sign was fluoride. What's it doing this time, stealing socks so that you end up with mismatched pairs? First you were suppressing my chakras, now this. Damn you fluoride!!!

    Not if its Vit. E afaik - only one form of the natural tocopherol - all the forms in the synthetic one

    so you need loads more of the artificial one to get the same result - maybe someone who knows about it could add/correct this


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    Blacktie.
    Registered Users Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Not if its Vit. E afaik - only one form of the natural tocopherol - all the forms in the synthetic one

    What?


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    Seanachai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭Seanachai


    papu wrote: »
    ALL IRON IS METALLIC , it will never be insulating , it will never be semiconducting ,it is always metallic.

    The body has no natural pathways to get rid of iron so it builds up over time.Too much Iron is bad , Not enough iron is bad , if you're genetically prone to building up iron in your system it is also bad.

    Fair enough , I thought there might be a distinction between a pharmaceutical grade iron mineral as a food additive and powdered iron from industry. Thanks for the clarification.


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    papu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    Seanachai wrote: »
    Fair enough , I thought there might be a distinction between a pharmaceutical grade iron mineral as a food additive and powdered iron from industry. Thanks for the clarification.

    Well there certainly is , but they are both metallic , the difference depends on the iron complex what other atoms the iron is bound to , it can be non magnetic , and this is how it is in the humans. And is the reason we don't explode in MRI machines .


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