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Who do you think is least deserving of their fame

  • 05-12-2007 3:19pm
    #1
    Neiler21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭


    I would start with;

    Pete Doherty
    Kerry Katona
    Amy Winehouse
    Mr Kipling - his cakes are rubbish
    Sayers The Bakers:cool:


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  • #2
    whatawaster
    Registered Users Posts: 12,906 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Neiler21 wrote: »
    I would start with;

    Pete Doherty
    Kerry Katona
    Amy Winehouse
    Mr Kipling - his cakes are rubbish
    Sayers The Bakers:cool:

    Pete Doherty - Singer and Chief Songwriter with one of the most acclaimed and adored British bands in decades.

    Amy Winehouse - unbelievable vocalist, good songwriter

    Mr Kipling - The Jungle book is great.


  • #3
    NAGGIE03
    Registered Users Posts: 305 ✭✭NAGGIE03


    1. Gemma Atkinson..... a pair of jugs
    2.Brenden o connor......who is he!
    3.Any big bro contestants
    4.Cheryl Tweedy cole....rhymes with a**hole
    5.Paris Hilton......airhead


  • #4
    ashyle
    Registered Users Posts: 699 ✭✭✭ashyle


    Completely disagree with Amy Winehouse- amazing singer and songwriter. with a sad drug addiction.

    However any of those footballers wives and Paris Hilton are useless


  • #5
    Pigletlover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Pigletlover


    ashyle wrote: »
    However any of those footballers wives and Paris Hilton are useless

    Agreed, except maybe for Louise Redknapp, at least she has done something other than marrying someone famous.

    Jordan, for using her son and his disability to make herself rich.

    Any Big Brother contestant ever especially the ones who sell their 'exclusive' or 'tell all' stories to EVERY magazine, and before anyone says anything, no I don't but those thrashy magazines but I do notice the headlines while I'm queuing in the shop.


  • #6
    BanzaiBk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭BanzaiBk


    That guy Jack who used be Jade Goody's bf, why was he famous again?:confused:


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  • #7
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Pete Doherty
    Kerry Katona
    Amy Winehouse As OP

    Jorden


  • #8
    whatawaster
    Registered Users Posts: 12,906 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    latchyco wrote: »
    Pete Doherty
    Kerry Katona
    Amy Winehouse As OP

    Jorden

    I'm sorry, why does Pete Doherty not deserve his fame? Because he is a drug addict? Same with Amy Winehouse. They are both enormously talented people, and are both widely recognised as such. So for people to lump them in with talentless, pointless celebrities like Paris Hilton or Kerry Katona is just idiotic in my opinion


  • #9
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    whatawaster wrote: »
    I'm sorry, why does Pete Doherty not deserve his fame? Because he is a drug addict? Same with Amy Winehouse. They are both enormously talented people, and are both widely recognised as such. So for people to lump them in with talentless, pointless celebrities like Paris Hilton or Kerry Katona is just idiotic in my opinion


    Ah but they ARENT!They've both carved very tenous positions for themselves in a very fickle industry.I dont know one person who can hum a Babyshambles song and Amy Shiitehouse has had,what,two,three songs?In fact Kerry Katona had more sucess with atomic kitten than keith doherty has had so far.Enormously talented people,eh?When i hear that i think of the guy who wrote Fairy Tale of New York or the guy who plays guitar on Sweet Child O mine,both of whom have sreious addiction problems.Winehouse and Doherty are come-lately,flash-in-the-pans,no talent at all.


  • #10
    Pighead
    Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    To quote the legendary Trigger
    "Gandhi ,he made one great film and you never heard of him again"


  • #11
    TelePaul
    Registered Users Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭TelePaul


    whatawaster wrote: »
    I'm sorry, why does Pete Doherty not deserve his fame? Because he is a drug addict? Same with Amy Winehouse. They are both enormously talented people, and are both widely recognised as such. So for people to lump them in with talentless, pointless celebrities like Paris Hilton or Kerry Katona is just idiotic in my opinion

    What's idiotic in MY opinion is the classing of Peter and Amy as enormously talented. He's had his five minutes, give her 6 months.


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  • #12
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    TelePaul wrote: »
    What's idiotic in MY opinion is the classing of Peter and Amy as enormously talented. He's had his five minutes, give her 6 months.


    If i was a judge i'd happily give her six months.Along with her halfwitted fans.


  • #13
    Pighead
    Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Degsy wrote: »
    Ah but they ARENT!They've both carved very tenous positions for themselves in a very fickle industry.I dont know one person who can hum a Babyshambles song and Amy Shiitehouse has had,what,two,three songs?In fact Kerry Katona had more sucess with atomic kitten than keith doherty has had so far.Enormously talented people,eh?When i hear that i think of the guy who wrote Fairy Tale of New York or the guy who plays guitar on Sweet Child O mine,both of whom have sreious addiction problems.Winehouse and Doherty are come-lately,flash-in-the-pans,no talent at all.
    Why are you judging talent with popularity and sales? Van Gogh was a nobody his whole life and died relatively unknown and broke. Fame came long after. Was he a "come lately flash in the pan with no talent at all"?


  • #14
    gustavo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭gustavo


    Pete Doherty had a level of fame for his music for the last 5 years , The non music stuff is sad and irrelevant


  • #15
    Ruskie4Rent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Ruskie4Rent


    Degsy wrote: »
    Ah but they ARENT!They've both carved very tenous positions for themselves in a very fickle industry.I dont know one person who can hum a Babyshambles song and Amy Shiitehouse has had,what,two,three songs?In fact Kerry Katona had more sucess with atomic kitten than keith doherty has had so far.Enormously talented people,eh?When i hear that i think of the guy who wrote Fairy Tale of New York or the guy who plays guitar on Sweet Child O mine,both of whom have sreious addiction problems.Winehouse and Doherty are come-lately,flash-in-the-pans,no talent at all.
    Atomic Kitten more successful than Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse? Can't compare a couple of no.1 and pre-teen fans with well selling albums, critical acclaim and hoards of loyal fans.
    Not to mention the influence The Libertines have had on today's british music scene (not such a great thing).
    Just cos you and your friends don't know their music doesn't validate your opinion.


  • #16
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Pighead wrote: »
    Why are you judging talent with popularity and sales? Van Gogh was a nobody his whole life and died relatively unknown and broke. Fame came long after. Was he a "come lately flash in the pan with no talent at all"?

    I reckon van Gough was crap,nobody liked his paintings and thats why they didnt sell.Only some pretentious tossers came along years after the event and said "oh my god,thats so cool,jeremy,i gotta have that".Perhaps in a hundred,or more likely a thousand years somebody will look at your postings here as something more than the drivel that they are,and you,too may be famous.


  • #17
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Ruskie4Rent wrote: »
    Atomic Kitten more successful than Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse? Can't compare a couple of no.1 and pre-teen fans with well selling albums, critical acclaim and hoards of loyal fans.
    Not to mention the influence The Libertines have had on today's british music scene (not such a great thing).
    Just cos you and your friends don't know their music doesn't validate your opinion.


    Pre-teens buy records.Number ones equate with records sold,critical acclaim is no use if you live in a bedsit and nobody is buying your music."Hoards of loyal fans" could also be construed as a bunch of misguided halfwits who dont know shiit from shinola about music...look at westlife..and even they've done infinatly better than Doherty and Winehouse.


  • #18
    TelePaul
    Registered Users Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭TelePaul


    Pighead wrote: »
    Why are you judging talent with popularity and sales?

    How else can you judge talent? I mean I hate ABBA but no doubt they were talented enough to sell alot of records.


  • #19
    TelePaul
    Registered Users Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭TelePaul


    Degsy wrote: »
    Pre-teens buy records.Number ones equate with records sold,critical acclaim is no use if you live in a bedsit and nobody is buying your music."Hoards of loyal fans" could also be construed as a bunch of misguided halfwits who dont know shiit from shinola about music...look at westlife..and even they've done infinatly better than Doherty and Winehouse.

    +1 You and I are on the same page!


  • #20
    TelePaul
    Registered Users Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭TelePaul


    Ruskie4Rent wrote: »
    Atomic Kitten more successful than Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse? Can't compare a couple of no.1 and pre-teen fans with well selling albums, critical acclaim and hoards of loyal fans.
    Not to mention the influence The Libertines have had on today's british music scene (not such a great thing).
    Just cos you and your friends don't know their music doesn't validate your opinion.

    If Babyshambles and The Libertines are selling as many albums as the beatles are today in forty years, feel free to say 'I told you so'.


  • #21
    phasers
    Registered Users Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Amy Winehouse is horribly overrated, but she does deserve some fame
    Pete Doherty is brilliant

    Girls aloud
    Big Brother contestants
    any "model" from Ireland
    (Ireland doesn't have models, it has promotions girls)
    any actor from the disney channel


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  • #22
    Ruskie4Rent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Ruskie4Rent


    TelePaul wrote: »
    If Babyshambles and The Libertines are selling as many albums as the beatles are today in forty years, feel free to say 'I told you so'.

    So you need to sell as many as the Beatles to be considered successfull? My point was not wether or not they deserved their success but to counter the point that degsy made about them being unsuccessful because he or the people he knows can't name their songs.
    Its like using his ignorance as a reason for him being right.


  • #23
    MayMay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭MayMay


    Any of Ireland's "models"....the only one of them that I ever rated was Yvonne Connolly (Ronan Keating's wife, lucky git!!), she was classy in her prime modelling days and didn't get her arse out. And she is stunning....can't really say any of the promotion girls today are even half as naturally pretty as she is.

    Any of those Big Brother contestants and any has been celebs that go on those sort of shows.


  • #24
    Pighead
    Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    TelePaul wrote: »
    How else can you judge talent? I mean I hate ABBA but no doubt they were talented enough to sell alot of records.
    Ah right then fair enough. Popularity +sales=talent. Cheeky girls, X-Factor winners and East 17 we salute you.


  • #25
    TelePaul
    Registered Users Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭TelePaul


    Ruskie4Rent wrote: »
    So you need to sell as many as the Beatles to be considered successfull? My point was not wether or not they deserved their success but to counter the point that degsy made about them being unsuccessful because he or the people he knows can't name their songs.
    Its like using his ignorance as a reason for him being right.

    No you don't need to sell as many as the beatles to be considered successful, but can we please use some sort of benchmark? Otherwise this thread will de-generate into the much-loved though unproductive Father Ted argument between Dougal and Fr. Damo ("who do ya prefer, Blue or Oasis?").

    The point (an irrefutable one) is that one person liking or disliking a particular thing does not justify it's appeal or unappeal. I used the Beatles as an example because you cannot deny that they're deservedly successful - if you did so, you'd probably be argueing with alot more people than just me or Degsy.

    Personally, when someone mentions Pete Doherty's name, I'll think of 'Class A drug-addict' before I think of "moderately successful London-based musician with cult following". I think the number of times he's appeared in the media (relevant, considering this is a celeb and showbiz forum) for drugs charges far outweighs the number of times he has appeared in connection with his music. So perhaps the real argument is that he's deserving of infamy or notoriety, though not necessarily fame, at least in the conventional sense.


  • #26
    TelePaul
    Registered Users Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭TelePaul


    Pighead wrote: »
    Ah right then fair enough. Popularity +sales=talent. Cheeky girls, X-Factor winners and East 17 we salute you.

    Ah right then fair enough. Talent = what appeals to you personally? Please, are people still using such a ridiculous argument? This whole thread is in danger of turning into a pissing match based on personal taste. I neither love nor hate Pete Doherty, nor Amy Winehouse. I just happen to think they're attributed more credit and attention than they deserve.


  • #27
    Pighead
    Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    TelePaul wrote: »
    Ah right then fair enough. Talent = what appeals to you personally? Please, are people still using such a ridiculous argument? This whole thread is in danger of turning into a pissing match based on personal taste. I neither love nor hate Pete Doherty, nor Amy Winehouse. I just happen to think they're attributed more credit and attention than they deserve.
    No problem at all with that viewpoint. Anybody who's ever heard Winehouse sing and perform can surely see she possesses talent.(You maightn't like the skanky bitch but she's definitely talented)


  • #28
    TelePaul
    Registered Users Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭TelePaul


    Pighead wrote: »
    No problem at all with that viewpoint. Its cnuts like Degsy coming in with half arsed arguments saying that Winehouse and Doherty don't possess any talent whatsoever that gets Pigheads goat. Anybody who's ever heard Winehouse sing and perform can surely see she possesses talent.(You maightn't like the skanky bitch but she's definitely talented)

    That's gettin a bit outta hand man, it's a discussion about famous people. I thought Degsy's posts were funny, I don't agree with his Van Gough point of view but I thought it was hilarious.


  • #29
    Pighead
    Registered Users Posts: 14,182 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    TelePaul wrote: »
    That's gettin a bit outta hand man, it's a discussion about famous people. I thought Degsy's posts were funny, I don't agree with his Van Gough point of view but I thought it was hilarious.
    But he is a cnut? Why is it out of hand? Degsy will tell you himself that he's a cnut. Pigheads not trying to rattle anybodies cage here, just partaking in a bit of celebrity chit chat.


  • #30
    Ruskie4Rent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Ruskie4Rent


    TelePaul wrote: »
    No you don't need to sell as many as the beatles to be considered successful, but can we please use some sort of benchmark? Otherwise this thread will de-generate into the much-loved though unproductive Father Ted argument between Dougal and Fr. Damo ("who do ya prefer, Blue or Oasis?").

    The point (an irrefutable one) is that one person liking or disliking a particular thing does not justify it's appeal or unappeal. I used the Beatles as an example because you cannot deny that they're deservedly successful - if you did so, you'd probably be argueing with alot more people than just me or Degsy.

    Personally, when someone mentions Pete Doherty's name, I'll think of 'Class A drug-addict' before I think of "moderately successful London-based musician with cult following". I think the number of times he's appeared in the media (relevant, considering this is a celeb and showbiz forum) for drugs charges far outweighs the number of times he has appeared in connection with his music. So perhaps the real argument is that he's deserving of infamy or notoriety, though not necessarily fame, at least in the conventional sense.

    Thats fair enough and I agree with you to some extent, however you can't disregard the fame they has courted for their music as unconventional. Since when has having your mug in the tabliods been considered as the 'conventional' way of gaining notoriety?
    My main beef was with Degsy, only because his reason for calling them 'talentless' and Amy '****ehouse' because he didn't know anybody familiar with their music. And then imply that their fans might be deluded in some way, with a paticular fondness of the word 'halfwit'. I suppose it must take one to reckognise one.


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  • #31
    ang
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭ang


    All the Irish Models - especially Glenda Gilson, weird eyebrows alert and she aint that pretty at all.

    Paris Hilton - famous simply because she is related to the founder of the Hilton Hotels Chain

    All the ex big brother contestants

    Jodie Marsh

    Abby Titmuss

    Victoria Beckham - can't sing (how the hell did she get chosen to be in a girl group, pathetic). The most famous out of the spice girls because of who she is married to.


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