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Alt X-mas message- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

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  • 26-12-2008 3:35am
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    condra
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    Channel 4 UK

    Alternative Christmas Message, delivered by the President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Did anyone see this?:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=earvSPfvoK4
    "In the Name of God the Compassionate, the Merciful.
    Upon the anniversary of the birth of Jesus, Son of Mary, the Word of God, the Messenger of mercy, I would like to congratulate the followers of Abrahamic faiths, especially the followers of Jesus Christ, and the people of Britain.

    The Almighty created the universe for human beings and human beings for Himself.

    He created every human being with the ability to reach the heights of perfection. He called on man to make every effort to live a good life in this world and to work to achieve his everlasting life.
    On this difficult and challenging journey of man from dust to the divine, He did not leave humanity to its own devices. He chose from those He created the most excellent as His Prophets to guide humanity.

    All Prophets called for the worship of God, for love and brotherhood, for the establishment of justice and for love in human society. Jesus, the Son of Mary, is the standard-bearer of justice, of love for our fellow human beings, of the fight against tyranny, discrimination and injustice.
    All the problems that have bedevilled humanity throughout the ages came about because humanity followed an evil path and disregarded the message of the Prophets.

    Now as human society faces a myriad of problems and a succession of complex crises, the root causes can be found in humanity's rejection of that message, in particular the indifference of some governments and powers towards the teachings of the divine Prophets, especially those of Jesus Christ.

    The crises in society, the family, morality, politics, security and the economy which have made life hard for humanity and continue to put great pressure on all nations have come about because the Prophets have been forgotten, the Almighty has been forgotten and some leaders are estranged from God.

    If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly He would stand with the people in opposition to bullying, ill-tempered and expansionist powers.
    If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly He would hoist the banner of justice and love for humanity to oppose warmongers, occupiers, terrorists and bullies the world over.

    If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly He would fight against the tyrannical policies of prevailing global economic and political systems, as He did in His lifetime. The solution to today's problems is a return to the call of the divine Prophets. The solution to these crises is to follow the Prophets - they were sent by the Almighty for the good of humanity.

    Today, the general will of nations is calling for fundamental change. This is now taking place. Demands for change, demands for transformation, demands for a return to human values are fast becoming the foremost demands of the nations of the world. The response to these demands must be real and true. The prerequisite to this change is a change in goals, intentions and directions. If tyrannical goals are repackaged in an attractive and deceptive package and imposed on nations again, the people, awakened, will stand up against them.

    Fortunately, today, as crises and despair multiply, a wave of hope is gathering momentum. Hope for a brighter future and hope for the establishment of justice, hope for real peace, hope for finding virtuous and pious rulers who love the people and want to serve them and this is what the Almighty has promised.

    We believe, Jesus Christ will return, together with one of the children of the revered Messenger of Islam and will lead the world to love, brotherhood and justice. The responsibility of all followers of Christ and Abrahamic faiths is to prepare the way for the fulfilment of this divine promise and the arrival of that joyful, shining and wonderful age.
    I hope that the collective will of nations will unite in the not too distant future and with the grace of the Almighty Lord, that shining age will come to rule the earth.

    Once again, I congratulate one and all on the anniversary of the birth of Jesus Christ.

    I pray for the New Year to be a year of happiness, prosperity, peace and brotherhood for humanity. I wish you every success and happiness."


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    Fanny Cradock
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    Hold the press - leader uses religion for his own ends. Still, sarcasm aside, that really was quite surprising stuff from Ahmadinejad. One can already guess the West's (America's) response, but I wonder how this will play throughout the Middle East?


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    Hivemind187
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    Strange ... I think thats the first speech from this guy that I've heard not calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map".

    One can only assume that he includes himself in the "bullying, ill-tempered and expansionist powers" list.


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    SimpleSam06
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    Fanny Cradock wrote: »
    One can already guess the West's (America's) response, but I wonder how this will play throughout the Middle East?
    No great shakes really, Islam views itself as having a lot in common with Christianity, since they are all "people of the book", as they say, crusades etc notwithstanding.


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    Chardee MacDennis
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    Hivemind187 wrote: »
    Strange ... I think thats the first speech from this guy that I've heard not calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map".

    sigh. . .


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    Hivemind187
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    BastardPrince wrote: »

    sigh. . .

    And that makes it alright?

    The hatred and anti-semitism is still there.


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    Chardee MacDennis
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    Hivemind187 wrote: »
    And that makes it alright?

    The hatred and anti-semitism is still there.

    so it's anti-Semitic to think that Israel is an occupying force within Palestine? Coz i certainly dont think so. I have nothing against the Jews, but the state of Israel is an abomination and we as a nation should particularly understand it...

    EDIT is that kind of attitude that stops the world from dealing with the issue on a human rights level rather than a religious one.


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    An Fear Aniar
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    If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly He would hoist the banner of justice and love for humanity to oppose warmongers, occupiers, terrorists and bullies the world over.

    Women beaten for improper dressing

    You could start with the bullies in Iran.:rolleyes:

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    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    I think Ahmadinejed gets a lot of unfair press. He's more of a Mary McAleese than a Brian Cowen in Iran. He even tried to change the laws there to allow women attend sports games but the ayahtollah overruled him


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    Hivemind187
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    BastardPrince wrote: »
    so it's anti-Semitic to think that Israel is an occupying force within Palestine? Coz i certainly dont think so. I have nothing against the Jews, but the state of Israel is an abomination and we as a nation should particularly understand it...

    EDIT is that kind of attitude that stops the world from dealing with the issue on a human rights level rather than a religious one.

    Sorry but wtf? I said nothing about the socio-political aspects of the middle east. It was a comment about a specific individual who happens to be using religious intolerance for his own ends (or possibly genuinely believes his own horsehit)

    As for the rest, thats about as open minded as the arsehole at a party who starts out "Some of my best friends are black but ..."


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    condra
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    Good thought provoking television.


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    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    Hivemind187 wrote: »
    Sorry but wtf? I said nothing about the socio-political aspects of the middle east. It was a comment about a specific individual who happens to be using religious intolerance for his own ends (or possibly genuinely believes his own horsehit)

    As for the rest, thats about as open minded as the arsehole at a party who starts out "Some of my best friends are black but ..."

    I think he meant you were calling him anti-semetic for being against the occupation of Palestine.

    It's well established by now that Ahmadinejad did not call for Israel to be wiped off the map. He was clearly talking about the regime but you know newspapers don't refuse ink.

    I'd be more concerned MA called the holocaust a myth, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was misquoted there too.


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    Chardee MacDennis
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    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    I think he meant you were calling him anti-semetic for being against the occupation of Palestine.

    It's well established by now that Ahmadinejad did not call for Israel to be wiped off the map. He was clearly talking about the regime but you know newspapers don't refuse ink.

    I'd be more concerned MA called the holocaust a myth, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was misquoted there too.


    Exactly! Afaik he held a conference for holocaust deniers - that's the part people should be citing!


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    Exactly! Afaik he held a conference for holocaust deniers - that's the part people should be citing!
    Yeah he did. What a stupid thing to do. It does nothing for Iran's image. Iran is actually one of the more progressive countries in the middle east. I know their general attitude to homosexuality is completely ****ed up, but it's a big country with 70 million people, most of whom are not fundamentalist nuts.

    Regardless though, the most imporant thing is that the western powers don't go starting another fecking war with them. By 'western powers', I'm including Israel!

    Compare Iran to Saudi Arabia - a place we hardly ever hear about on the news. An oil rich country with close ties to the Bush family. A country with Islamic Police, where you won't see women so much as driving cars.


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