DoE testing - The Last Word

kadman · 01-07-2015 10:52pm

Just got my doe done on my T25 camper.

Passed as I thought it would:).

I thought I might have problems, as I,m currently working on it.....and all the units, fridge, hob, gas fitments and sink are in my shed at home.

Didn,t seem to make a difference tho, as they were happy to test it.......and pass it:D

But its the first time I,ve noticed the emission details printed on the test paper.

kadman

*Kol* · 03-07-2015 2:35am

kadman wrote: »

Just got my doe done on my T25 camper.

Passed as I thought it would:).

I thought I might have problems, as I,m currently working on it.....and all the units, fridge, hob, gas fitments and sink are in my shed at home.

Didn,t seem to make a difference tho, as they were happy to test it.......and pass it:D

But its the first time I,ve noticed the emission details printed on the test paper.

kadman

As your T25 gets older the emissions may become more of an issue!!

Pjwal · 03-07-2015 9:32am

kadman wrote: »

Just got my doe done on my T25 camper.

Passed as I thought it would:).

I thought I might have problems, as I,m currently working on it.....and all the units, fridge, hob, gas fitments and sink are in my shed at home.

Didn,t seem to make a difference tho, as they were happy to test it.......and pass it:D

But its the first time I,ve noticed the emission details printed on the test paper.

kadman

That would be because in the recent past, the testing system changed, and before you would have received a hand written cert that only had owner details and vehicle details on it, if you received a print out it meant you failed, but it's a much more computerised system now, and as well as the emission readings you can also see all your brake readings and side slip readings.

kadman · 03-07-2015 9:46pm

*Kol* wrote: »

As your T25 gets older the emissions may become more of an issue!!

They wont......I can rebuild my own engines.:)

And clean LPG is always an option:D

kadman · 03-07-2015 9:50pm

Pjwal wrote: »

That would be because in the recent past, the testing system changed, and before you would have received a hand written cert that only had owner details and vehicle details on it, if you received a print out it meant you failed, but it's a much more computerised system now, and as well as the emission readings you can also see all your brake readings and side slip readings.

It didn,t fail by the way. The test centre failed:)

Their emission analyser would not come out of calibration mode, so they had to bring me back another day to complete that part of the test:D

And they also queried me about the two 3" diameter holes in the floor behind the driver. They didn,t realise they were manufacturers holes for the gas heater of the camper.

*Kol* · 04-07-2015 1:43am

kadman wrote: »

They wont......I can rebuild my own engines.:)

And clean LPG is always an option:D

Lol. Rebuilding an engine or an LPG conversion would be on the extreme side of solutions I hope. I was thinking more along the lines of a tune up and service!

kadman · 04-07-2015 9:21am

*Kol* wrote: »

Lol. Rebuilding an engine or an LPG conversion would be on the extreme side of solutions I hope. I was thinking more along the lines of a tune up and service!

Yep, me too:)

Nekarsulm · 04-07-2015 11:21am

The local DOE centre had 3 inspectors arrive last week, and they brought in two cattle lorries which had been stopped at a checkpoint. Strangely enough, not a single vehicle passed that day... .:(

Citroen2cv · 14-04-2016 11:01am

Is there a CVRT centre in dublin that campervan enthusiasts generally send there vans to for the test? A centre that knows and deals with campervans regularly, and wont look at you as if you had 2 heads when you turn up with a campervan?

Seaswimmer · 14-04-2016 11:57am

Personally I use Coolock Commercials. Always plenty of campervans there..

spaceHopper · 19-04-2016 10:34am

I find Murphy trucks in Ballymount very good always easy to get a booking to.

Donaldo · 18-07-2016 1:26pm

Camper failed test last week. It is taxed and insured. Due to go to France next week and wondering how does this fail impact insurance? i.e. If I do not get everything sorted and a retest passed before travelling are there issues with insurance if in an accident?

Thanks in advance.

Benbecul97 · 18-07-2016 1:38pm

A valid CVRT certifies that, when tested, the van was roadworthy.
I would imagine that a van failing the CVRT is therefore deemed not roadworthy and so the insurance is compromised.

With a week to go I would be getting everything that failed fixed and retested asap.
You should also check in with your insurance company.

At least that's a logical explanation but it could be otherwise.

Donaldo · 18-07-2016 2:51pm

Benbecul97 wrote: »

A valid CVRT certifies that, when tested, the van was roadworthy.
I would imagine that a van failing the CVRT is therefore deemed not roadworthy and so the insurance is compromised.

With a week to go I would be getting everything that failed fixed and retested asap.
You should also check in with your insurance company.

At least that's a logical explanation but it could be otherwise.

Thanks for response. The fact that you can drive away from the test with a failure surely means you are still insured though? I know if they find a catastrophic failure they can put a sticker on van that says it is not roadworthy. My issue is that with time running out, one of the failures relates to chassis corrosion - the body shop say it is not unsafe as it is just supporting the bumper but a big job to fix (engine has to come out) and unlikely I can get it done and the other jobs prior to travelling. If my insurance was unaffected, I'd happily leave the chassis work till later.

Benbecul97 · 18-07-2016 3:00pm

You are correct, some failures are more serious than others.
If I were you I'd ring your insurance company asap and find out where you stand.

Irishgoatman · 18-07-2016 3:37pm

Has your test cert actually expired or were you getting an early test?.

If the latter then as long as it would still be valid for your entire trip and, most important, you feel confident that it is safe to use, then I believe you will be within the law.

Donaldo · 18-07-2016 4:25pm

Test Cert expires at end of this month, trip booked for 30th of the month so will expire when travelling.

niloc1951 · 18-07-2016 4:42pm

You don't say what base vehicle your MH is but if it's a Ducato front cross member corrosion is not uncommon. Replacing that part is easy and does not require engine or other parts removal, it's a straight forward take off and replace.

If THIS - CLICK HERE is the bit you could have it delivered and fitted before you head off and have peace of mind

Donaldo · 18-07-2016 5:03pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

You don't say what base vehicle your MH is but if it's a Ducato front cross member corrosion is not uncommon. Replacing that part is easy and does not require engine or other parts removal, it's a straight forward take off and replace.

If THIS - CLICK HERE is the bit you could have it delivered and fitted before you head off and have peace of mind

It's not actually that part Niloc1951, it is a Ducato but it's on the chassis just below the battery. Seems to be in a straight line down from the battery - the battery bay is corroded, the chassis beneath it, and the brake hose mounting point. VRT centre said I would need the engine removed, the section cut out of the chassis, and a new section inserted. Body shop groaned when they saw it.

crabbypaddy · 18-07-2016 11:39pm

Donaldo wrote: »

It's not actually that part Niloc1951, it is a Ducato but it's on the chassis just below the battery. Seems to be in a straight line down from the battery - the battery bay is corroded, the chassis beneath it, and the brake hose mounting point. VRT centre said I would need the engine removed, the section cut out of the chassis, and a new section inserted. Body shop groaned when they saw it.

Bummer, its a balls of a job, I left two ducatos behind because of this, screwdriver went straight though everything under the battery. It seems to be a combination of windscreen scuttle / bonnet seals dumping water on the battery, overcharging of the battery releasing acid and the padding on the inner wing holding water and acid like a sponge.

Donaldo · 19-07-2016 9:29am

crabbypaddy wrote: »

Bummer, its a balls of a job, I left two ducatos behind because of this, screwdriver went straight though everything under the battery. It seems to be a combination of windscreen scuttle / bonnet seals dumping water on the battery, overcharging of the battery releasing acid and the padding on the inner wing holding water and acid like a sponge.

Thanks Paddy, your theory makes sense. Know anybody who has/would successfully tackle this job?

kadman · 29-07-2016 6:16pm

VW T 25 failed 10 days ago on emissions of HC 851 ppm.

Passed yesterday with a reading of HC 21 ppm.

Happy days

zambo · 29-07-2016 8:25pm

What work was done between the two tests.

kadman · 29-07-2016 9:12pm

zambo wrote: »

What work was done between the two tests.

Vw T25 1.9 Petrol Waterboxer engine.

After the initial failure,

I did a compression test and it confirmed uneven readings.

I then did a leak down test to pinpoint, head or cylinder issues , or both.

Test confimed gases escaping from both carb and crankcase. Pointing to
rings and inlet valves.

Removed and stripped engine, and confirmed rings and inlet valves were indeed the culprits.

So, relapped the inlet valves, cross hatch honed the cylinders. Weighed and balanced all the pistons to within 3 grams of each other, and fitted new rings.

New full gasket set, and rebuilt the engine. All this in about ten days, so made the time limit on the retest.

Started the engine, 2000 rpms for 15 minutes. Then drove it hard for 60 miles, and then to the test centre. I was worried that testing so soon before the rings were fully bedded would give me a possible emission issue,,

But HC 21 ppm...........was enough confirmation that my brother and myself hit the mark on this rebuild.

Now i,m driving it like I stole it:p

zambo · 30-07-2016 8:33pm

kadman wrote: »

Vw T25 1.9 Petrol Waterboxer engine.

After the initial failure,

I did a compression test and it confirmed uneven readings.

I then did a leak down test to pinpoint, head or cylinder issues , or both.

Test confimed gases escaping from both carb and crankcase. Pointing to
rings and inlet valves.

Removed and stripped engine, and confirmed rings and inlet valves were indeed the culprits.

So, relapped the inlet valves, cross hatch honed the cylinders. Weighed and balanced all the pistons to within 3 grams of each other, and fitted new rings.

New full gasket set, and rebuilt the engine. All this in about ten days, so made the time limit on the retest.

Started the engine, 2000 rpms for 15 minutes. Then drove it hard for 60 miles, and then to the test centre. I was worried that testing so soon before the rings were fully bedded would give me a possible emission issue,,

But HC 21 ppm...........was enough confirmation that my brother and myself hit the mark on this rebuild.

Now i,m driving it like I stole it:p

Congrats on that job,well done. I did a full rebuild on a t25 aircooled in the early 90s,found broken oil ring so removed all rings and ordered a new set from vw agents( mdl ) luckily they told me the cost before I got them,they were over 25 pounds per ring if I remember correctly.needless to say I bought one ring and refitted the rest.I used that van for a further 15 years.

pmg007 · 05-09-2016 10:44am

I have an 83 T25 thats been untested/unused for the last year. DOE test date is due this month. Does anybody know Will I get a full years test?

Pjwal · 08-09-2016 8:38pm

pmg007 wrote: »

I have an 83 T25 thats been untested/unused for the last year. DOE test date is due this month. Does anybody know Will I get a full years test?

If you wait until a full year has expired since your due date, then you will get a 6 month test, if you do it sooner, you will only get until your due date,

kadman · 02-08-2017 1:40pm

Sailed through the DOE today.

12 months after failing on an emissions reading of 850 HC,

then 2 weeks after a top end rebuild and passing on 22 ppm. thats twenty two.

And passing today after 3k on the engine with a reading of 000 ppm. Thats zero, zero,zero.

I asked the tester did he have the machine plugged in:D:D

He said he has never seen it, definitely not on a 1987 T25 1.9 petrol,,,,

Well now he has:cool:

toitle · 06-09-2017 1:14am

Hey guys,

Recently purchased a 1985 Toyota camper.
I've been looking through this thread and wanted to ask this: are all doe test centres created equal?
That is to say, is there one which specialises or is more accustomed to dealing with campervans?
The last time this was raised seems to be a year ago (screenie attached with thanks to those posters

spaceHopper and Seaswimmer.
Does anyone have anything to add?
Thanks in advance!

Field east · 14-11-2017 8:13pm

Make sure before you book that the centre will test it at Low Idle only. Some centres are testing Motorhome's at low and high idle including vehicles that are 1994 and older and engines that were not designed for the Lambda test at high idle

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