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nerd69 · 26-04-2012 12:50am

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Samuel doesn't fit the new scheme we're looking to run which will require more press coverage. It's a trade that means the owners save 9m. Understandable

but what are we gona use the cap on unless we sign shady to a long term deal or get a few free agents after the draft we where as well off keeping him as a situation player for a 7th heres praying for a tom brady pick to get some value back for it

Pyjamarama · 26-04-2012 12:59am

nerd69 wrote: »

but what are we gona use the cap on unless we sign shady to a long term deal or get a few free agents after the draft we where as well off keeping him as a situation player for a 7th heres praying for a tom brady pick to get some value back for it

Because you can't justify paying a situational player that much money. It's still a business after all. The hope is that we re-sign McCoy and Maclin with that cash.

nerd69 · 26-04-2012 1:01am

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Because you can't justify paying a situational player that much money. It's still a business after all. The hope is that we re-sign McCoy and Maclin with that cash.

if he helps you towards a superbowl at all hes worth the cap room unless your gona use it if they do sigh maclin and/or mccoy or pick up 1 or 2 free agents im happy with this deal if not what was the point

Syferus · 26-04-2012 1:11am

nerd69 wrote: »

if he helps you towards a superbowl at all hes worth the cap room unless your gona use it if they do sigh maclin and/or mccoy or pick up 1 or 2 free agents im happy with this deal if not what was the point

Because he can't cover the slot, nor can the other two. The Eagles need a decent slot corner alot more than they need a zone corner who isn't great at tackling, which is what Samuel is. The other two are man corners which made Samuel the odd man out and clearly so.

Samuel will be much better off in a scheme that suits his skills, just as the Eagles will be with a slot corner.

nerd69 · 26-04-2012 1:24am

Syferus wrote: »

Because he can't cover the slot, nor can the other two. The Eagles need a decent slot corner alot more than they need a zone corner who isn't great at tackling, which is what Samuel is. The other two are man corners which made Samuel the odd man out and clearly so.

Samuel will be much better off in a scheme that suits his skills, just as the Eagles will be with a slot corner.

im not gona lie i know this at heart and have known since before last year but its hard to accept that we only got a 7th for someone so talented on a positive note its gona help our safteys i liked coleman last year and its only gona help if hes not left on an island with a wr because asante jumped on a wrong play again

HigginsJ · 27-04-2012 3:58pm

Looks like Weedon wont have to beat out Colt McCoy as McCoy could be traded or released.

Soharsh on McCoy. Weedon will have Trent Richardson and someone like Alshon Jeffrey to work with and Colt had an injured peyton hillis and greg little.

Incredibly stupid stuff from the Browns in my opinion

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828a9842/article/colt-mccoy-on-the-way-out-of-cleveland?module=HP11_headline_stack

eagle eye · 27-04-2012 4:06pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

Looks like Weedon wont have to beat out Colt McCoy as McCoy could be traded or released.

Soharsh on McCoy. Weedon will have Trent Richardson and someone like Alshon Jeffrey to work with and Colt had an injured peyton hillis and greg little.

Incredibly stupid stuff from the Browns in my opinion

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828a9842/article/colt-mccoy-on-the-way-out-of-cleveland?module=HP11_headline_stack

As it says there, if they are certain that Weeden is going to start next season then its a good move. I personally never thought the guy would make it in the NFL(McCoy that is) but he looked like he had a chance at one stage. He will find a new home though, probably will end up being released first. I'd fancy the Texans might look to take him if he ends up a free agent. He is a hero down there and they released Leinart and currently only have Schaub and TJ Yates. He'd have a chance to develop there and in a few years you'd never know.

Mr. Guappa · 27-04-2012 4:08pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

Looks like Weedon wont have to beat out Colt McCoy as McCoy could be traded or released.

Soharsh on McCoy. Weedon will have Trent Richardson and someone like Alshon Jeffrey to work with and Colt had an injured peyton hillis and greg little.

Incredibly stupid stuff from the Browns in my opinion

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828a9842/article/colt-mccoy-on-the-way-out-of-cleveland?module=HP11_headline_stack

The Packers are interested apparently: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/27/report-browns-talking-colt-mccoy-trade-with-packers/

The Browns have had plenty time to look at McCoy though, and regardless of who's around him he hasn't shown much really. If they don't think he's the answer then they have to move on.. they were at nothing in that division as it was.

matthew8 · 27-04-2012 4:33pm

I' happy for McCoy that he doesn't have to play for the Browns anymore. I hope he ends up somewhere good.

HigginsJ · 30-04-2012 9:34pm

Redskins signed former Giants linebacker Jonathan Goff. Good signing for the Skins.

Goff was showing alot of promise before missing last year with injuries. Disappointed

Stev_o · 30-04-2012 9:44pm

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

The Packers are interested apparently: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/27/report-browns-talking-colt-mccoy-trade-with-packers/

The Browns have had plenty time to look at McCoy though, and regardless of who's around him he hasn't shown much really. If they don't think he's the answer then they have to move on.. they were at nothing in that division as it was.

Who exactly has been around him? His best receiver was a RB ffs!

Red Crow · 30-04-2012 10:22pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

Redskins signed former Giants linebacker Jonathan Goff. Good signing for the Skins.

Goff was showing alot of promise before missing last year with injuries. Disappointed

Goff is a good player with losts of potential. His release was very strange to say the least.

Syferus · 01-05-2012 2:10am

McCoy got a very raw deal. Holmgren was adamant after he was drafted that he'd sit at minimum an entire year, but injuries forced him into playing much sooner. He doesn't have a big arm but he's a smart player who's a proven leader and with great 'intangibles'. I can see him having at least as much success in green Bay's offense as Flynn and with their similarities it's easy to see why they'd want him. I'd say McCoy would prefer to land some place where there was a decent chance of him winning the starting job down the line rather that being instantly boxed into being a career back-up.

HigginsJ · 01-05-2012 6:00pm

What an odd move by the Redskins releasing Jabar Gaffney. Now i'm not claiming Gaffney is anything out of the ordinary but he is a very solid WR. I had him on my fantasy team last year and he seemed to have 60-70 yards every week.

Would have been a nice option for RGIII to play with.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828c8168/article/jabar-gaffney-released-by-washington-redskins?module=HP11_headline_stack

He led the Redskins in both receptions and receiving yards in 2011 with 68 catches for 947 yards and five touchdowns.

CoachTO · 02-05-2012 12:15am

Matt Leinart to Raiders.

Danger_dave1 · 02-05-2012 1:24pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

What an odd move by the Redskins releasing Jabar Gaffney. Now i'm not claiming Gaffney is anything out of the ordinary but he is a very solid WR. I had him on my fantasy team last year and he seemed to have 60-70 yards every week.

Would have been a nice option for RGIII to play with.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828c8168/article/jabar-gaffney-released-by-washington-redskins?module=HP11_headline_stack

He led the Redskins in both receptions and receiving yards in 2011 with 68 catches for 947 yards and five touchdowns.

The redskins will look to stretch the field vertically and leave gaps for RG3 to run if needed. Gaffney won't do that. Well that's what they should do !

HigginsJ · 02-05-2012 1:31pm

Danger_dave1 wrote: »

The redskins will look to stretch the field vertically and leave gaps for RG3 to run if needed. Gaffney won't do that. Well that's what they should do !

RGIII is a pass 1st QB. Way more of a pocket passer than people give him credit for. Wont run anywhere near as much as Cam IMO.

Stretching the field is great and I'm sure thats what they got Garcon in for. But if you stretch the field why not have a guy in the slot to pick up handy 5-7 yard passes.

Danger_dave1 · 02-05-2012 1:37pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

RGIII is a pass 1st QB. Way more of a pocket passer than people give him credit for. Wont run anywhere near as much as Cam IMO.

Stretching the field is great and I'm sure thats what they got Garcon in for. But if you stretch the field why not have a guy in the slot to pick up handy 5-7 yard passes.

True he his a pass first QB. But the step up on D will be massive. So he's going to have a limited playbook at first. They have to play to his main strength first while he steps up in the passing game. Stretching the field will also allow his running backs to become more important in the passing game.

I'd expect the redskins run game to improve much more with RG3 there.

HigginsJ · 02-05-2012 1:53pm

Danger_dave1 wrote: »

True he his a pass first QB. But the step up on D will be massive. So he's going to have a limited playbook at first. They have to play to his main strength first while he steps up in the passing game. Stretching the field will also allow his running backs to become more important in the passing game.

I'd expect the redskins run game to improve much more with RG3 there.

Can see them stealing some plays from the Eagles play books. They should run 1st play everygame as a bootleg deepshot, like the Eagles ran with Vick and DeSean Jackson the season before last.

Cant understand why they didnt draft a speedster WR in the 3rd round of the draft. The Cousins pick was horrible.

Danger_dave1 · 02-05-2012 2:07pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

Can see them stealing some plays from the Eagles play books. They should run 1st play everygame as a bootleg deepshot, like the Eagles ran with Vick and DeSean Jackson the season before last.

Cant understand why they didnt draft a speedster WR in the 3rd round of the draft. The Cousins pick was horrible.

Well Shanahan will stick to his zone read run/PA a fair bit. Don't see them changing playbook to much, just decreasing his pass first options. The role out from his PA could be deadly if used effectively.

Ye they need a Wide out that just run's straight nothing else. Very strange.

spiralism · 02-05-2012 7:37pm

I'd take Gaffney back in a heartbeat. Dunno if he'd come though

EDIT: Pats it is. Surely they'll have to let a receiver go though now.

Syferus · 02-05-2012 8:38pm

Cousins is insurance for RG3's almost envitable injuries in the coming years. He can be developed into quite a good player alongside RG3 and if he was to win even one or two games for them in the next four years his total value will have been more than equal to almost any other 4th rounder they could have picked, it's a quality time over quanity of time decision. Could be brilliant for the Redskins, just not one that's great for Cousins' medium term prospects.

CoachTO · 02-05-2012 11:03pm

spiralism wrote: »

EDIT: Pats it is. Surely they'll have to let a receiver go though now.

Bring them all to camp and make them fight for a spot. Best way to do it raises the bar then in camp.

Here is the full list of NE WR:

Wes Welker*, Brandon Lloyd, Deion Branch, Donte' Stallworth, Chad Ochocinco, Anthony Gonzalez, Matthew Slater, Julian Edelman, Jeremy Ebert, Tiquan Underwood, Britt Davis and now Gaffney.

HigginsJ · 03-05-2012 12:44am

Syferus wrote: »

Cousins is insurance for RG3's almost envitable injuries in the coming years. Cousins can be developed into quite a good player alongside RG3 and if he was to win even one or two games for them in the next four years his total value will have been more than equal to almost any other 4th rounder they could have picked, it's a quality time over quanity of time decision. Could be brilliant for the Redskins, just not one that's great for Cousins' medium term prospects.

I'm not buying it.

They could draft a mid-round qb prospect next year and drafted a WR/TE/RB this year, esp when they were going to release Gaffney.

Cousins is of no-use. Sexy Rexy Grossman is a more than capable back-up.

nerd69 · 03-05-2012 1:00am

HigginsJ wrote: »

I'm not buying it.

They could draft a mid-round qb prospect next year and drafted a WR/TE/RB this year, esp when they were going to release Gaffney.

Cousins is of no-use. Sexy Rexy Grossman is a more than capable back-up.

and what happens if rg3 who likes to run and is quite thin for the nfl meets a big mlb and gets laid out for the season do you really want grossman anywhere near the field again

UnitedIrishman · 03-05-2012 1:22am

nerd69 wrote: »

and what happens if rg3 who likes to run and is quite thin for the nfl meets a big mlb and gets laid out for the season do you really want grossman anywhere near the field again

But you could make that point for most teams in the NFL. For example if Philly Rivers went down would you expect Charlie Whitehurst to bring the Chargers to the playoffs? Not likely. Any side that loses it's starting QB is going to struggle and if RGIII went down during the season, it'd be understandable if the Redskins didn't perform for the rest. As it is, they don't need two QB's of equal standing (with Rex probably in a better position having experience of the NFL and the playbook).

nerd69 · 03-05-2012 1:31am

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

But you could make that point for most teams in the NFL. For example if Philly Rivers went down would you expect Charlie Whitehurst to bring the Chargers to the playoffs? Not likely. Any side that loses it's starting QB is going to struggle and if RGIII went down during the season, it'd be understandable if the Redskins didn't perform for the rest. As it is, they don't need two QB's of equal standing (with Rex probably in a better position having experience of the NFL and the playbook).

but rivers never runs rg3 will look at vick he gets injured annually its just a fact that hes gona miss games

cousins prob wont do much this year but he can be a very good qb next year at the very least you can do like the eagles do and get upgraded picks for him ala aj feely and kevin kolb

Syferus · 03-05-2012 3:04am

HigginsJ wrote: »

I'm not buying it.

They could draft a mid-round qb prospect next year and drafted a WR/TE/RB this year, esp when they were going to release Gaffney.

Cousins is of no-use. Sexy Rexy Grossman is a more than capable back-up.

You mean the Interceptosaurus Rex? He will be #2 for next year and after that he'll either have to make do with being a #3 or continue his life as a journey-man QB. The Cousins pick was a vote of total no-confidence in Grossman by Shanahan.

What you want from a back-up QB is reliable, even if unspectacular, production. 230 yards passing an two touchdowns. Alex Smith 2011, if you will. The one thing that will never be said about Rex Grossman is that he's reliable.

HigginsJ · 03-05-2012 9:25am

Few things IMO.

RGIII wont run as much as Newton or vick. He will alot of run play action and roll out but Shanahan wont run him up the middle or anything. He is too small. 15kg lighter and 3 inches shorter than Cam. They will surely realise he wont hold up to the pounding if he is running 5-10 times a game.

Think ye are being hard on Rex. He is not great but he is an awful lot better than Cousins. Rex mananged to win a few games last year (beating the Giants twice

). If Cousins became as good as Rex he'd be doing well.

I think it was a poor couple of selections from the Skins picking Josh LeRibeus and Kirk Cousins.

Danger_dave1 · 03-05-2012 11:12am

Didn't rexman get dropped for losing one game? When he was dropped they lost 5 on the bounce? When they brought him back they started playing better. Rexman is a perfectly adequate back up in any team.

More so than Matt Leinart

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