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Time to boycott Isaraeli products

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    #242
    El Horseboxo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭El Horseboxo


    I've a few Israeli friends that work at companies on that list so wouldn't want to affect the security of their jobs. Think Israel is being heavy handed but has the right to protect itself.


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    #243
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    True, but I think that if for example (hypothetical so please indulge me) Ireland got attacked from the sea on all sides of the country I wouldn't feel too bad if in the process of self-defence we managed to extend our maritime waters as a way to protect ourselves from future attacks.


    ...feelings don't enter into it. And the land is populated.


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    #244
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,727 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    wes wrote: »
    What you don't know, seeing you deployed a variation of it yourself already. The Bin Laden defense, is when people invoke people voting for someone, as a justification of violence against civilians, like Osama did to justify the 9/11 attacks. There have been numerous variations on this deployed by supporters of Israel the last few days.


    In what election did people vote for Osama Bin Laden?


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    #245
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    In what election did people vote for Osama Bin Laden?
    I give up. Tell us.
    Then can we get back to the discussion?


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    #246
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    end of the road wrote: »
    tell mommy to hold off on the cocoa in general, We don't want babba arthur weting his pants at any moment, seriously, grow up

    Babba. Good one. Ha ha.


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    #247
    dissed doc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    El Horseboxo wrote: »
    I've a few Israeli friends that work at companies on that list so wouldn't want to affect the security of their jobs. Think Israel is being heavy handed but has the right to protect itself.


    I assume if I pitch up in your house and throw you out, you will be just as obliging for my right to protect myself when you fight back?


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    #248
    bboybaboy19
    Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭bboybaboy19


    dissed doc wrote: »
    I assume if I pitch up in your house and throw you out, you will be just as obliging for my right to protect myself when you fight back?

    I guess if you dumb it down so far that the internet campaigners can understand it then it may sound a bit mad.


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    #249
    Doc
    Registered Users Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Doc


    I’d like to make a couple of points because some of you seem to be missing some pretty basic things.

    First of all a Boycotting on purchasing countries products does not mean that you stop using products you have already purchased. What would be the point of that? The product has already been bought and paid for so stopping using it won’t cause damage to anyone but yourself. The idea is to stop buying new products until policy is changed.

    Secondly to the people who are saying you can only boycott one countries product because of moral grounds if you are prepared to boycott all other countries that fail morally for the same / similar reasons. Each country / situation is different a boycott may be practical for one and not another. This does not mean that it should never be used and to suggest so is laughable. Why must there be one blanket way of dealing with every county that dose wrong? What is a practical way of putting pressure on one country would not necessarily work on another or be so detrimental as to be unpractical.

    If you disagree with a boycott because you don’t think Israel disserve it that’s a completely different issue.


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    #250
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    European and American airlines have stopped flying into Israel.

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/foreign/23-Jul-2014/us-european-swiss-airlines-halt-flights-to-israel-amid-instability

    and Israel's billion-euro tourism industry has ground to a halt

    http://www.iol.co.za/travel/world/middle-east/summer-tourism-dries-up-in-israel-1.1723663#.U89fUlYWhSU

    to such an extent that New York ex-mayor Bloomberg is flying in with lots of publicity to prove how 'safe' it is

    http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Former-New-York-mayor-Bloomberg-defies-FAA-ban-flies-to-Israel-on-El-Al-368562


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    #251
    smoking_kills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 488 ✭✭smoking_kills


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    European and American airlines have stopped flying into Israel.

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/foreign/23-Jul-2014/us-european-swiss-airlines-halt-flights-to-israel-amid-instability

    and Israel's billion-euro tourism industry has ground to a halt

    http://www.iol.co.za/travel/world/middle-east/summer-tourism-dries-up-in-israel-1.1723663#.U89fUlYWhSU

    to such an extent that New York ex-mayor Bloomberg is flying in with lots of publicity to prove how 'safe' it is

    http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Former-New-York-mayor-Bloomberg-defies-FAA-ban-flies-to-Israel-on-El-Al-368562


    Because Hamas rockets landed close to the airport.


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    #252
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    I'll do my best at boycotting.it's a great peaceful way to protest the rogue Israeli regime


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    #253
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Doc wrote: »
    I’d like to make a couple of points because some of you seem to be missing some pretty basic things.

    First of all a Boycotting on purchasing countries products does not mean that you stop using products you have already purchased. What would be the point of that? The product has already been bought and paid for so stopping using it won’t cause damage to anyone but yourself. The idea is to stop buying new products until policy is changed.

    Secondly to the people who are saying you can only boycott one countries product because of moral grounds if you are prepared to boycott all other countries that fail morally for the same / similar reasons. Each country / situation is different a boycott may be practical for one and not another. This does not mean that it should never be used and to suggest so is laughable. Why must there be one blanket way of dealing with every county that dose wrong? What is a practical way of putting pressure on one country would not necessarily work on another or be so detrimental as to be unpractical.

    If you disagree with a boycott because you don’t think Israel disserve it that’s a completely different issue.

    I disagree with a boycott because I don’t think Israel deserves it.


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    #254
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    I disagree with a boycott because I don’t think Israel deserves it.

    Boycott is basically shunning. It is a peaceful way of showing a country, company or entity that their actions are unacceptable. If you don't think Israel's actions are unacceptable, you're absolutely free to avoid the boycott.


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    #255
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    Boycott is basically shunning. It is a peaceful way of showing a country, company or entity that their actions are unacceptable. If you don't think Israel's actions are unacceptable, you're absolutely free to avoid the boycott.

    Thank you for clarifying.


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    #256
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    RobertKK wrote: »
    In what election did people vote for Osama Bin Laden?

    Yeah, I get that your taking the piss, but seriously do try harder.


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    #257
    donegal__road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 953 ✭✭✭donegal__road


    El Horseboxo wrote: »
    I've a few Israeli friends that work at companies on that list so wouldn't want to affect the security of their jobs. Think Israel is being heavy handed but has the right to protect itself.

    and they decide to protect themselves by blowing the fcuk out of a hospital, the second one in weeks.

    Protect themselves from what exactly, injured children?


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    #258
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Thank you for clarifying.
    Care to clarify whether the IDF know what they are shooting at?
    I know I've asked this about 5 times now, but I'm sure you've had enough time at this stage to come up with an answer / lame deflection / yet another ad hominem.


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    #259
    Grand Moff Tarkin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Grand Moff Tarkin


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Care to clarify whether the IDF know what they are shooting at?
    I know I've asked this about 5 times now, but I'm sure you've had enough time at this stage to come up with an answer / lame deflection / yet another ad hominem.

    They are shooting at terrorists and enemies of the state of Israel. Hamas won't be happy until every Israeli is dead so the IDF is justified in it's defence of the state.


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    #260
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »
    They are shooting at terrorists and enemies of the state of Israel.
    Is that a yes or no?
    So they do know what they are shooting at when they shell beaches full of civilians and hospitals who are enemies of the state of Israel?
    OK.


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    #261
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Is that a yes or no?
    So they do know what they are shooting at when they shell beaches full of civilians and hospitals who are enemies of the state of Israel?
    OK.

    I think the question you should be asking is :

    Is it possible that, despite knowing what they are shooting at, it's conceivable sometimes they hit something they didn't intend to hit.


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    #262
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    The really depressing thing is that I can't see any realistic possibility of a resolution to this situation.

    I've a feeling if we fast forward 100 years it'll still be ongoing.


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    #263
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Fully back Israel in this conflict...the day Hamas stop launching rockets is the day Israel will.


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    #264
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    The really depressing thing is that I can't see any realistic possibility of a resolution to this situation.

    I've a feeling if we fast forward 100 years it'll still be ongoing.

    Certainly seems that way, if there is a solution to this it certainly won't be a peaceful one achieved by boycotting Israeli products.


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    #265
    Grand Moff Tarkin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Grand Moff Tarkin


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Is that a yes or no?
    So they do know what they are shooting at when they shell beaches full of civilians and hospitals who are enemies of the state of Israel?
    OK.

    Civvies have been caught in the crossfire of every war since the dawn of time the only difference now in the age of social media is that every single attack is covered in real time.


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    #266
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Fully back Israel in this conflict...the day Hamas stop launching rockets is the day Israel will.

    Ah yeah sure once they stop firing rockets israel will be more than happy to release them from their prison camp and everybody will go on their merry way.


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    #267
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Fully back Israel in this conflict...the day Hamas stop launching rockets is the day Israel will...
    ...stop annexing Palestinian land to make settlements?
    Nah.


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    #268
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    wexie wrote: »
    I think the question you should be asking is :

    Is it possible that, despite knowing what they are shooting at, it's conceivable sometimes they hit something they didn't intend to hit.
    They accidentally destroyed a hospital? They accidentally shelled a beach full of civilians?
    Not really much better than Hamas rockets then are they, these IDF surgical strikes?


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    #269
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    ...stop annexing Palestinian land to make settlements?
    Nah.

    Which land? Gaza?


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    #270
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    Which land? Gaza?
    If Hamas wasn't there, yes. Just like the West Bank puppet government acquiesces to.


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    #271
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    If Hamas wasn't there, yes. Just like the West Bank puppet government acquiesces to.

    Well thats really neither here or there, the foundation of the state of Israel in 1948 required the confiscation of Palestine land, that is the crux of the issue that HAMAS will never get over and hence won't ever recognise Israel's legitmacy.


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