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Treating people with mental health issues

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    #122
    Mark Tapley
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    I dunno , Im definately no expert on the matter but in the case of OCD sufferers the feelings (and the acompanying) voices in the head telling you to do something can be quite powerful and very hard to ignore. I myself suffer a bit from OCD even though I am not diagnosed with it, im almost sure, the jitters and everything i have if something is out of my routine , or if I forget to switch something off. Sometimes I can go to bed and forget or cannot remember whether I switched something off and you know how some people can forget or not worry about it, well i will get the jitters and have to get out of bed to make sure. Its controlling, but not enough that I got to get any kind of medical or psychiatric help for it

    Isn't this compulsions , how do voices come into it. Have you left the cooker on?


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    #123
    curiousoranje
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭curiousoranje


    Andy obviously likes the sound of his own voice judging by the amount of idiotic threads he starts is AH. This one definitely takes the biscuit though. Ignorant and embarrassing.


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    #124
    Mental Mickey
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    Attention seeker


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    #125
    [Deleted User]
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    I think that's a bit harsh folks. I don't think there's anything deliberately malicious going on, just misinformed. I'm sure Andy doesn't mean to offend anyone deliberately.


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    #126
    Widdershins
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    Nothing wrong with the thread .


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    #127
    Andy From Sligo
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    Penny Tration wrote: »
    Ah here, OCD now causes people to hear voices, and you have self diagnosed it in yourself too?


    Educate yourself before making asinine statements about people with an illness.

    I have educated myself in places because I looked up about OCD because I wanted to know more about my situation - and loads of articles I read about OCD said that a lot of the sufferers hear nagging voices in their heads. Sorry if it dose'nt sit well with your theories or experiences or findings ....


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    #128
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Mental Mickey wrote: »
    Can we just lock this thread before it gets out of hand?

    Methinks Andy from Sligo is trying to rise a row?

    not at all in the least - can I not have an opinion or opinions on a subject or ask questions on a current affairs issue?


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    #129
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    There are loads of subjects on boards that dont interest me and there are a load of silly threads, there are people and subjects that make me angry ... do you know what I do? I skip them - I dont join in on the subject I just move on to something I am interested in . I certainly wouldnt slate the OP's of these subjects/threads . Whats the point? - every body is entitled to their own views no matter how wacky or unsavoury they are.


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    #130
    BaaLamb
    Registered Users Posts: 236 ✭✭BaaLamb


    I don't know where you did your reading on OCD but I can tell you categorically that you are incorrect regarding voices in ocd sufferers heads. What ocd is about is Obessions and Compulsions that manifest themselves in extreme overt or covert rituals. So the typical way OCD is represented is the obsessive hand washer or the obsessive who checks the gas is off. You do not have OCD unless you are unable to ignore your obsession and have developed compulsions (rituals) such as checking the lights are off a specific number of times before going to bed. http://www.ocdireland.org/the-three-disorders/ocd/

    Nowhere have I ever read that voices in your head is part of OCD. Voices in your head does not mean you are mentally ill but such symptoms are associated with psychosis which can be part of some mental illnesses. However having voices in your head does not automatically mean you're going to hurt someone even if it is associated with psychosis.https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/a-to-z/h/hearing-voices


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    #131
    Andy From Sligo
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    Mental Mickey wrote: »
    It's not taboo anymore. People DO get help for it. Are you living in the 80's in Sligo?

    i bet you there are still loads that keep their feelings to themselves down this neck of the woods and across the country. theres loads of instances where people have tried (and suceeded) to commit suicide rather than explain how they feel to their family members or go to the doctors , especilly men. I wish it was otherwise. And I know people shouldnt be ashamed and shouldnt be a taboo subject still and openly talk about their mental health but for all the adverts on TV and radio and leaflets in doctors surgery there are still those that will not admit to having mental issues or discussing them with others. - I commend you (if you have/had problems) and others who have come to terms with it and sourced help and feel sorry for others who still think "it should not be talked about"


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    #132
    Andy From Sligo
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    BaaLamb wrote: »
    ...However having voices in your head does not automatically mean you're going to hurt someone even if it is associated with psychosis.https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/a-to-z/h/hearing-voices

    No, and I dont know where I have put that its a done deal that if you hear voices in your head that you are gonna be a danger to yourself or others. Unless I just havent explained myself properly


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    #133
    [Deleted User]
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    Andy, there's a difference between a nagging inner voice telling you to check you've locked the doors, and hallucinations suffered by severely ill people. They're not the same thing.


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    #134
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Candie wrote: »
    Andy, there's a difference between a nagging inner voice telling you to check you've locked the doors, and hallucinations suffered by severely ill people. They're not the same thing.

    I know that...


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    #135
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    i bet you there are still loads that keep their feelings to themselves down this neck of the woods and across the country. theres loads of instances where people have tried (and suceeded) to commit suicide rather than explain how they feel to their family members or go to the doctors , especilly men. I wish it was otherwise. And I know people shouldnt be ashamed and shouldnt be a taboo subject still and openly talk about their mental health but for all the adverts on TV and radio and leaflets in doctors surgery there are still those that will not admit to having mental issues or discussing them with others. - I commend you (if you have/had problems) and others who have come to terms with it and sourced help and feel sorry for others who still think "it should not be talked about"

    Sometimes people don't know they have mental health issues.


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    #136
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    When the cruel old style mental institutions were closed they didnt really put anything effective and civil in its place I think. apart from these days as you say the person now has to agree to be sectioned or commit a crime which gets them into the system ... and quicker/fast tracked! - its all wrong.

    And it seems i am wrong saying its money orientated then, i thought it was due to the ol' cutbacks but it sounds like red tape and polices now


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    #137
    222233
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    If your sentiment is to suggest that we should detain the mentally ill who pose a statistically small threat to society then perhaps we should focus also on alcohol users.

    Were we to consider the amount of crime committed by people under the influence of alcohol/drugs and compare that to the few crimes committed by people suffering from mental illnesses then perhaps addicts and alcoholics should also be involuntarily detained as I'm sure we would find based on convictions they pose a larger threat..

    just my opinion


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    #138
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Sometimes people don't know they have mental health issues.

    true - and maybe sometimes others could look at some people, look at their actions, hear the way they are talking and acting and being and could be helpful and say "how are you, is everything OK - do you want to talk about anything?"


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    #139
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    true - and maybe sometimes others could look at some people, look at their actions, hear the way they are talking and acting and being and could be helpful and say "how are you, is everything OK - do you want to talk about anything?"

    Absolutely right . Instead of the usual ''ah he's just a bit of a character ''.
    The story of the man who killed Imelda Riney is a prime example .
    He was a known loose cannon .
    If someone had acted it could have been prevented .


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    #140
    222233
    Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Absolutely right . Instead of the usual ''ah he's just a bit of a character ''.
    The story of the man who killed Imelda Riney is a prime example .
    He was a known loose cannon .
    If someone had acted it could have been prevented .

    Same could be applied to people who are bad drunks... just saying..


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    #141
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    222233 wrote: »
    Same could be applied to people who are bad drunks... just saying..

    Yes anyone dangerously volatile needs intervention and alcoholism is an illness too. That doesn't negate the original point about mental illness /instability issues being attended to .


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    #142
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Absolutely right . Instead of the usual ''ah he's just a bit of a character ''.
    The story of the man who killed Imelda Riney is a prime example .
    He was a known loose cannon .
    If someone had acted it could have been prevented .

    could have saved a life - even one death that could be prevented by intervention by specialists would be a success - once that is done people can argue later whats the rights and wrongs about it all, but ultimately lives could be saved


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    #143
    Irish_rat
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    Ok - you cannot lock Mentally ill people away like the old days .... but also we cannot go on with some mentally ill people being to a danger to the public by knifing them or shooting them or whatever else they might be capable of .

    What are people views / ideas on what can be done to safeguard the public - better than what is being done at the moment? - bar cutting down the long waiting list for people to get medical psychiatric help - what more can be done until these people get the help they need , what is not being done at the moment?

    Are you one of those sick trolls?

    Jihadi johny ain't mentally ill bud.

    You need an education into the behaviour of those that are actually mentally ill which can range of a number of issues.


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    #144
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Jihadists hve been religiously brainwashed and they are the cause of the terror threat . All the mental health services in the world would not make a difference to that .


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    #145
    Widdershins
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    It's not all about mentally ill people posing a threat , what about their own safety .. also , some people can be aggravating and intimidating even though they may not realise it or have bad intentions . Potentially they could aggravate the wrong person and come out the worst for it.
    You don't know whether someone is harmless or not if they are behaving strangely or bothering people .


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    #146
    222233
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    Widdershins wrote: »
    Yes anyone dangerously volatile needs intervention and alcoholism is an illness too. That doesn't negate the original point about mental illness /instability issues being attended to .

    Of course you are right but it is a minority which is why I made a comparison, again it is only my opinion. I don't personally think the mentally ill are posing any danger that would warrant an inhumane form of involuntary detention.
    "Irish studies have reported that:
    of those committed to Irish prisons each year, 2.1% have a current psychotic illness." National Overview of Forensic Mental Health Services Ireland 2011

    When I see the statistics for alcohol related crimes it concerns me on the other hand:
    76% of all rape defendants had been drinking at the time of the alleged offence Alcohol has been identified as a contributory factor in 97% of public order offenses as recorded under the Garda PULSE system. - See more at: http://alcoholireland.ie/facts/case-studies-kids/#sthash.buuz3Gth.dpuf

    From where I see it the mentally ill and clinically psychotic should be allowed to lead as normal a life as possible, integrated into our society.


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    #147
    Andy From Sligo
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    Irish_rat wrote: »
    Are you one of those sick trolls?

    Im a troll because i have an opinion?

    Irish_rat wrote: »
    Jihadi johny ain't mentally ill bud.

    I dont know where I said they were - but i think there is truth on that news reporting that indicates ISIS are now preying on some individuals with mental issues and people with autism and the like with their ideologies and brainwashing them through the internet and other ways - yeah I believe that is happening.


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    #148
    Widdershins
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    222233 wrote: »
    I don't personally think the mentally ill are posing any danger that would warrant an inhumane form of involuntary detention.



    From where I see it the mentally ill and clinically psychotic should be allowed to lead as normal a life as possible, integrated into our society.

    Nobody mentioned inhumane forms of involuntary detention . Sectioning doesn't happen to people who are living normal integrated lives .


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    #149
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    So the way it is at the moment is that a person cannot be detained/sectioned under the mental health act against their will .... but if they are not thinking straight or cannot make decisions due to their mental health at that particular time why are they left to make that decision?


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    #150
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    Im a troll because i have an opinion?




    I dont know where I said they were - but i think there is truth on that news reporting that indicates ISIS are now preying on some individuals with mental issues and people with autism and the like with their ideologies and brainwashing them through the internet and other ways - yeah I believe that is happening.

    I don't see autistic people going for this . They tend to be very honest not devious people. Maybe someone self diagnosed somewhere along the line .


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    222233
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    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    So the way it is at the moment is that a person cannot be detained/sectioned under the mental health act against their will .... but if they are not thinking straight or cannot make decisions due to their mental health at that particular time why are they left to make that decision?


    involuntary admissions to facilities still happen and exist they are rare about 10%, in the case of children the admission is deemed voluntary if the parent/guardian has agreed to it irrespective of whether or not the child is in agreement.


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