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VRT and Road Tax Evasion

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  • #62
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    I cant speak for my friend. I personally would report ANY vehicle that was being used on public roads and had no Road Tax or NCT.
    You and your friend seem extremely similar....
    The lack of NCT alone could cost someone their life with a defective/ dangerous vehicle. Would you like your family to be wiped out with a defective large 4x4 ?
    O so you "your friend" are on a life saving crusade now? I thought it was the effect on your pocket you were worried about.
    And lets be honest if there is no NCT maybe the insurance would be void too.
    For yourself, probably. For third party, no.
    I get the impression you might prefer life somewhere with a lawless culture as you dont seem to support laws or regulations much.
    Yea, Id say you are good at getting impressions alright, I can imagine you now sneaking around to see what you can uncover, to back up your impressions of people.


  • #63
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I dislike my neighbours immensely.
    That must make going around checking their motor tax status much easier.

    My friends and family don't evade tax.


    Carried out an audit of them all was it?


  • #64
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    ManMade wrote: »
    Then I don't see what your problem is? If the car ain't that nice what's the point of customs taking it? Could you give us an approx value of the car or even it's make?

    Also my question was serious.

    I never said it was not that nice I said it was not as nice as mine. Do we need to do a sum on how much the vehicle is worth to see if he should abide by the law or not ? If the Gardai investigated only crimes of a certain value would that be fair ? The value might be 15k and road tax should be approx 1k per year.


  • #65
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Bruthal wrote: »
    That must make going around checking their motor tax status much easier.





    Carried out an audit of them all was it?

    You don't appear to know the difference between noticing something and looking for something.


  • #66
    repsol
    Registered Users Posts: 754 ✭✭✭repsol


    If OP decides to report his neighbour and the Revenue come knocking he can easily satisfy them by producing his documentation if he has a legitimate reason for UK plates.If he has no reason for having them other than refusal to pay,he deserves to get fined.All this talk of there being a possible explanation ,let him explain to Revenue officers. Its very black and white and they will sort it very fast either in his favour or against.I would have no issue with either Revenue or gardai asking me a few questions. Only those with something to hide would object.


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  • #67
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    Bruthal wrote: »
    You and your friend seem extremely similar....


    O so you "your friend" are on a life saving crusade now? I thought it was the effect on your pocket you were worried about.


    For yourself, probably. For third party, no.


    Yea, Id say you are good at getting impressions alright, I can imagine you now sneaking around to see what you can uncover, to back up your impressions of people.

    Quote: "You and your friend seem extremely similar...."
    Unquote: Thats why we are friends.

    Quote: "O so you "your friend" are on a life saving crusade now? I thought it was the effect on your pocket you were worried about. "
    Unquote: Its called being a decent person you should try it.

    Quote: "For yourself, probably. For third party, no"
    Unquote: Do you have any proof of this statement ?

    Quote: "Yea, Id say you are good at getting impressions alright, I can imagine you now sneaking around to see what you can uncover, to back up your impressions of people.[/QUOTE]"

    Unquote: Id say you have a good imagination alright.


  • #68
    ManMade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭ManMade


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »

    I never said it was not that nice I said it was not as nice as mine. Do we need to do a sum on how much the vehicle is worth to see if he should abide by the law or not ? If the Gardai investigated only crimes of a certain value would that be fair ? The value might be 15k and road tax should be approx 1k per year.
    Well the gardai have very limited resources. And as you said earlier customs don't have the resources to put a man on the case. They have bigger fish to fry. It's called priorities. If I find out my neighbour doesn't have a tv licence although its against the law not to have one, should I annoy the hell out of the gardai to sort him out? No because its not cost effective and I value my time and know the gardai have enough to be doing. Have you tried confronting your neighbour or do you just gossip to your friend about how awful it is?

    I see no reason for him to downsize he's getting away just fine with he's 15k 4x4 :D


  • #69
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    repsol wrote: »
    If OP decides to report his neighbour and the Revenue come knocking he can easily satisfy them by producing his documentation if he has a legitimate reason for UK plates.If he has no reason for having them other than refusal to pay,he deserves to get fined.All this talk of there being a possible explanation ,let him explain to Revenue officers. Its very black and white and they will sort it very fast either in his favour or against.I would have no issue with either Revenue or gardai asking me a few questions. Only those with something to hide would object.
    Customs told my friend they can not take the car out of the drive they have to catch it on a public road to confiscate it.


  • #70
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Limited tax income leads to limited resources


  • #71
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    MagicSean wrote: »
    You don't appear to know the difference between noticing something and looking for something.



    No mention was made by you, about how you know all your family and friends are perfect tax complient citizens.

    So how does the distinction between noticing something, and looking for something, come into it?

    Just "noticed" that everyone you know, have paid their motor tax, nct, tv licence, not paid cash at any stage etc etc was it?


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  • #72
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    ManMade wrote: »
    Well the gardai have very limited resources. And as you said earlier customs don't have the resources to put a man on the case. They have bigger fish to fry. It's called priorities. If I find out my neighbour doesn't have a tv licence although its against the law not to have one, should I annoy the hell out of the gardai to sort him out? No because its not cost effective and I value my time and know the gardai have enough to be doing. Have you tried confronting your neighbour or do you just gossip to your friend about how awful it is?

    I see no reason for him to downsize he's getting away just fine with he's 15k 4x4 :D

    Quote: Well the gardai have very limited resources.
    Unquote: Could you give me some examples of the "limited resources" please, are you a Guard ?

    Quote: They have bigger fish to fry.
    Unquote: Like what ? Can you give me some proof of this statement ? Do you work in Customs.

    Quote: Have you tried confronting your neighbour
    Unquote: I am not in the business of confronting people thats why I pay taxes.


  • #73
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    Bruthal wrote: »
    No mention was made by you, about how you know all your family and friends are perfect tax complient citizens.

    So how does the distinction between noticing something, and looking for something, come into it?

    Is it really worth all this typing to defend a tax evading free loader you have never met ? Are you a tax evader too as you seem very defensive ? Something does not quite add up with your attitude maybe you ARE the person we are talking about ? Are Nigerian by any chance ?


  • #74
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    Thats why we are friends.
    Yes, I guess the best way to be someones friend, is to be like them.
    Its called being a decent person you should try it.
    Well you best find someone to report, so you can be even more decent, like your friend
    Do you have any proof of this statement ?
    Its common enough knowledge. Third party will be paid out.

    Id say you have a good imagination alright.
    Id like to think so.


  • #75
    ManMade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭ManMade


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »

    Quote: Well the gardai have very limited resources.
    Unquote: Could you give me some examples of the "limited resources" please, are you a Guard ?

    Quote: They have bigger fish to fry.
    Unquote: Like what ? Can you give me some proof of this statement ? Do you work in Customs.

    Quote: Have you tried confronting your neighbour
    Unquote: I am not in the business of confronting people thats why I pay taxes.
    Guards:
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/new-blow-to-gardai-as-10m-cut-from-garda-overtime-budget-3357501.html

    Customs: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2013/0105/1224328461239.html

    Bigger Fish:
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fear-of-rural-crime-wave-as-two-more-pensioners-assaulted-in-home-3354916.html

    Stop using the law as an excuse to nose into other people's business. This man has still not be proven guilty of anything. You are not the judge, jury and executioner.


  • #76
    RainyDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    repsol wrote: »
    If OP decides to report his neighbour and the Revenue come knocking he can easily satisfy them by producing his documentation if he has a legitimate reason for UK plates..
    To the best of my knowledge, there is no 'legitimate reason' for anyone living in Ireland to have UK plates.
    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    Customs told my friend they can not take the car out of the drive they have to catch it on a public road to confiscate it.
    So you or your friend can sit outside the house for a few hours, and get a nice video showing the car out on the public road. It should help to light a fire under Revenue.
    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    Are Nigerian by any chance ?
    Careful now. Keep your supporters on board.


  • #77
    pcbscott
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭pcbscott


    At the risk of getting reprimanded from the moderators. OP, there are probably better things you could do with your time.

    LIKE MINDING YOUR OWN ****ING BUSINESS.


  • #78
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    Is it really worth all this typing to defend a tax evading free loader you have never met ? Are you a tax evader too as you seem very defensive ? Something does not quite add up with your attitude

    Im defending no one. I just think it takes a certain type of person to go around investigating their neighbours.



    maybe you ARE the person we are talking about ?
    If this is your level of investigating, perhaps another hobby is in order.
    Are Nigerian by any chance ?


  • #79
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    Is it really worth all this typing to defend a tax evading free loader you have never met ? Are you a tax evader too as you seem very defensive ? Something does not quite add up with your attitude maybe you ARE the person we are talking about ? Are Nigerian by any chance ?

    Would you sorry, your 'friend' ;) have reported him as well if he wasn't Nigerian? How is being Nigerian relevant? Are Nigerian 'tax evaders' somehow worse than Belgian 'tax evaders'? Or Irish 'tax evaders'?


  • #80
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Bruthal wrote: »
    No mention was made by you, about how you know all your family and friends are perfect tax complient citizens.

    So how does the distinction between noticing something, and looking for something, come into it?

    Just "noticed" that everyone you know, have paid their motor tax, nct, tv licence, not paid cash at any stage etc etc was it?

    Yep. I'm quite observant


  • #81
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    MagicSean wrote: »
    Yep. I'm quite observant

    No, I dont think you would report a family member or friend for no motor tax or tv licence. But you can say you would, or that you would never need to due to them being perfect, to keep the boards persona intact.


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  • #82
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    ManMade wrote: »
    Guards:
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/new-blow-to-gardai-as-10m-cut-from-garda-overtime-budget-3357501.html

    Customs: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2013/0105/1224328461239.html

    Bigger Fish:
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fear-of-rural-crime-wave-as-two-more-pensioners-assaulted-in-home-3354916.html

    Stop using the law as an excuse to nose into other people's business. This man has still not be proven guilty of anything. You are not the judge, jury and executioner.

    Quote: "Stop using the law as an excuse to nose into other people's business. "
    Unquote: Its everybody`s business its called democratic society.


  • #83
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    wexie wrote: »
    Would you sorry, your 'friend' ;) have reported him as well if he wasn't Nigerian? How is being Nigerian relevant? Are Nigerian 'tax evaders' somehow worse than Belgian 'tax evaders'? Or Irish 'tax evaders'?

    An overall profile of the OP`s views is emerging I believe.

    I dont think the average person likes the snooping and reporting type, with a hint of racism too. That type of person is not to be trusted in any aspect of life.


  • #84
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    wexie wrote: »
    Would you sorry, your 'friend' ;) have reported him as well if he wasn't Nigerian? How is being Nigerian relevant? Are Nigerian 'tax evaders' somehow worse than Belgian 'tax evaders'? Or Irish 'tax evaders'?

    The tax evader is Nigerian and the poster in question was putting up such a vigorous defence I was starting to wonder was he actually the offender in question.
    Yes I personally would report any nationality and all tax evaders are as bad as each other hope this answers your questions.


  • #85
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    Bruthal wrote: »
    An overall profile of the OP`s views is emerging I believe.

    I dont think the average person likes the snooping and reporting type, with a hint of racism too. That type of person is not to be trusted in any aspect of life.

    Hint of racism ? Explain yourself.


  • #86
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    Bruthal wrote: »
    Im defending no one. I just think it takes a certain type of person to go around investigating their neighbours.





    If this is your level of investigating, perhaps another hobby is in order.

    I am starting to wonder ARE you the actual tax evader ? Your defence of tax evaders is quite disturbing.


  • #87
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    Bruthal wrote: »
    An overall profile of the OP`s views is emerging I believe.

    I dont think the average person likes the snooping and reporting type, with a hint of racism too. That type of person is not to be trusted in any aspect of life.
    Please define "average person" ? Is the average person a supporter of tax evaders who are driving possible death traps ?


  • #88
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    pcbscott wrote: »
    At the risk of getting reprimanded from the moderators. OP, there are probably better things you could do with your time.

    LIKE MINDING YOUR OWN ****ING BUSINESS.
    Is everybody`s business.


  • #89
    RainyDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    pcbscott wrote: »

    LIKE MINDING YOUR OWN ****ING BUSINESS.

    It's interesting to note that you don't practice what you preach.
    Bruthal wrote: »
    I dont think the average person likes the snooping and reporting type, with a hint of racism too. That type of person is not to be trusted in any aspect of life.
    Fortunately, Ireland is changing. We've seen where a couple of decades of cute hoorism has got us. The old days of keeping your head down are changing, whether it comes to the abusing priest, or the teacher who can't teach, or the drunk driver, or the tax evader.

    The average person has copped on and realised that tax evasion hurts everybody.


  • #90
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,233 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    pcbscott wrote: »
    At the risk of getting reprimanded from the moderators. OP, there are probably better things you could do with your time.

    LIKE MINDING YOUR OWN ****ING BUSINESS.
    It's our buisness , we are ll paying extra taxes as country needs the money. If the tax dodgers paid we would have lower taxes.


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  • #91
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    ted1 wrote: »
    It's our buisness , we are ll paying extra taxes as country needs the money. If the tax dodgers paid we would have lower taxes.

    How many have you reported?


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