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The Avengers (2012) *spoilers from post 1181*

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  • #872
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    Well that WOULD have been one of the best action films I had ever seen IF they didn't have the word Assemble at the start of it.

    This flagrant use of the word completely overrode the genuine humour, good pacing, and snappy script.

    Shame on you Marvel, shame.

    Disney's call not Marvel's. :)
    I actually think Disney mucked this movie up with the completely unnecessary Post Production 3D and the name change for UK and Ireland. :(


  • #873
    gazzer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭gazzer


    Went to see it yesterday evening. Absolutely fantastic
    Hulk beating the crap out fo Loki was hilarious
    . I was expecting it to be good but not THAT good :D

    Its only April and between this and Cabin in the Woods I have seen 2 great movies this year so far


  • #874
    [Deleted User]
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    Was the name change not brought in so there wouldnt be a mix up with the other Avengers movie ?


  • #875
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Was the name change not brought in so there wouldnt be a mix up with the other Avengers movie ?

    No, they wanted to avoid confusion with the Espionage series (That movie NEVER happened!!). Silly imo.


  • #876
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Jernal wrote: »
    No, they wanted to avoid confusion with the Espionage series (That movie NEVER happened!!). Silly imo.

    and the really bad movie that followed were Uma Thurman looks a little like Black Widow .........

    http://seanconneryonline.com/avengers_cover.jpg


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  • #877
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Deleted User wrote: »
    and the really bad movie that followed were Uma Thurman looks a little like Black Widow .........

    http://seanconneryonline.com/avengers_cover.jpg

    Gee thanks. . .:(
    1238064149_bubble.gif
    (Day ruined now.)


  • #878
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Memnoch wrote: »
    Is it just me or have entertainment.ie sold their soul for advertising?
    Does this film really deserve 4.5/5 stars? Used to be that anytime I went to see a film that got 4 stars there I was in for one of the best films of the year. Five stars was something that would be a great and truly memorable movie. Though this trend seems to be reserved for comic book films like Watchmen, which was also overrated. I suspect the reviewer is probably just a die hard comic book fan and this seems to colour his view slightly.

    I'll stand by the 3 stars I gave as I felt it was very lightweight on plot. Even Whedon admitted he did massive cutting in the editing room and this would explain why I felt the pacing was all over the place.(SPOILERS BELOW):

    http://collider.com/the-avengers-deleted-scenes/159451/

    Good mindless action, saved by the characters on screen doing their party tricks. It's not up to much more than that IMO.

    This isn't to say that I didn't immensely enjoy it, I did, here are some highlights for me:
    Loki's disturbing rant at Black Widow.
    Thor pleading with his brother to come home.
    Banner and Stark interactions.
    Everything Hulk, including the hilarious sucker punch on Thor and the beat down on Loki.
    2nd half of the final battle.
    Iron Man intro to Cap, ****ing awesome introduction accompanied by Shoot to Thrill.
    Iron Man using Cap's shield to blast people, reminded me of playing the ultimate alliance game.
    Thanos reveal (though basically ruined by the stupid ****ing 3D).


  • #879
    Zero-Cool
    Registered Users Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    30 minutes of deleted scenes! I can't wait for the inevitable Avengers Blu-Ray Collection


  • #880
    Otacon
    Registered Users Posts: 6,721 ✭✭✭Otacon


    Question:
    After the Hulk beats up Loki, he says something. What was it? The audience [and me] were laughing so I didn't pick it up.


  • #881
    grames_bond
    Registered Users Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    Brilliant movie! Loved it! whedon is god!

    3d f*cking sucked though (if only the damn 2d showing didnt sell out!)

    one thing I noticed:
    When did Banner suddenly become able to control the "other guy" just cause he fell through a roof?

    I wanna see it again - NOW!!


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  • #882
    what the hell!
    Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭what the hell!


    Otacon wrote: »
    Question:
    After the Hulk beats up Loki, he says something. What was it? The audience [and me] were laughing so I didn't pick it up.

    Same happened with me, love to know what he said though. Can't wait to see it again this weekend. 2D this time though!


  • #883
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Jernal wrote: »
    Disney's call not Marvel's. :)
    I actually think Disney mucked this movie up with the completely unnecessary Post Production 3D and the name change for UK and Ireland. :(

    I was joking, I loved the film and people were moaning over nothing, tbh.


  • #884
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    He says "Puny god"


  • #885
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    Iron Man using Cap's shield to blast people, reminded me of playing the ultimate alliance game.

    That's exactly what came to my mind when I saw that bit. Must dig that out from where ever I hide it.


  • #886
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    They have significantly dumbed him down. A few decent moments in fights, but mostly he's one of the weakest and ill-defined members of this particular crack team.
    Odd, as I think Whedon has mentioned him as his favourite character.


  • #887
    Zero-Cool
    Registered Users Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Ya, from that deleted scenes link, sounds like Cap had some deeper scenes, like meeting Peggy, that were cut. Cap def came off as the weakest member. I think thats why he got the whole
    "cap saved me"
    scene at the end


  • #888
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Hulk and Thor for me got the most out of the plot, Iron Man and Cap surprisingly took a backseat to these two. I reckon they witheld big time on CA as they want enough material for the sequel to CA: TFA.


  • #889
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Christ! I just realised I want to go see this again today. :eek:
    Discipline, discipline. . .


  • #890
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    I just read, there has been one bad review of the movie. The person reviewing it said it lacked Character development. :rolleyes:


  • #891
    Zero-Cool
    Registered Users Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Jernal wrote: »
    Christ! I just realised I want to go see this again today. :eek:
    Discipline, discipline. . .

    Yupp, it definitely has that effect on people. When it finished, I wanted to stay in the cinema and watch it all again. Blu Ray will be a day one purchase as soon as it's out!


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  • #892
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I just read, there has been one bad review of the movie. The person reviewing it said it lacked Character development. :rolleyes:

    It is what it is, a good action film, nothing more than that though. Maybe the reviewer was expecting too much, but personally, it's not the game changer so many have made it out to be.


  • #893
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,081 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I just read, there has been one bad review of the movie. The person reviewing it said it lacked Character development. :rolleyes:

    Because the film does lack character development. This should be a given in any films with such a rich cast of characters, not an optional luxury. Frankly, I think an audience that doesn't demand things like that are doing themselves a disservice.


  • #894
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    The whole point is character development was done in Iron man 1 and 2 Thor and Captain America.


  • #895
    charlietheminxx
    Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭charlietheminxx


    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    Because the film does lack character development. This should be a given in any films with such a rich cast of characters, not an optional luxury. Frankly, I think an audience that doesn't demand things like that are doing themselves a disservice.

    They each had at least one whole film dedicated to character development though :P


  • #896
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    Because the film does lack character development. This should be a given in any films with such a rich cast of characters, not an optional luxury. Frankly, I think an audience that doesn't demand things like that are doing themselves a disservice.

    Its really a stopgap between each individuals sequels though, people are expecting way too much from it, its a load of fun to watch and its cool seeing Marvels finest on screen together, its not perfect, some parts feel drawn out whereas others feel rushed that could have done with being longer, like the scene between Stark and Pepper at the beginning was a bit overlong, whereas Cap didnt get much else to do aside from give orders and look out of place. It would have been cool seeing Stark showing him how technology has developed since the 40s or something. Or talking about his father, which I dont think came up once, Cap is Tonys link to his dad as he knew him briefly.


  • #897
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,081 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    But the film actively ignores or at worse contradicts many of the character motivations established in those films in favour of rather uninspiring action sequences and shallow one-liners. Not that the characters were ever multi-dimensional protagonists in the first place, but there are enough interesting loose-ends established in the previous films that all but absent here, with only the McGuffin of the previous films carrying over.

    That to me is the biggest flaw of the film: after several years of teasing, The Avengers feels like a tease for another series of individual sequels. It's like an episode of The Simpsons: everything returns to the status quo at the end, with the characters having learned little. Really Iron Man and the Hulk are the only two characters who enjoy anything of an 'arc' in the film.
    Its really a stopgap between each individuals sequels though, people are expecting way too much from it, its a load of fun to watch and its cool seeing Marvels finest on screen together, its not perfect, some parts feel drawn out whereas others feel rushed that could have done with being longer, like the scene between Stark and Pepper at the beginning was a bit overlong, whereas Cap didnt get much else to do aside from give orders and look out of place. It would have been cool seeing Stark showing him how technology has developed since the 40s or something. Or talking about his father, which I dont think came up once, Cap is Tonys link to his dad as he knew him briefly.

    I'd rather expect too much than too little, to be honest :) To me it's just another blockbuster with better wit and banter. Not good enough considering the hype, buildup and talent: especially from the director who gave us the best action sci-fi movie in decades.


  • #898
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The whole point is character development was done in Iron man 1 and 2 Thor and Captain America.
    charlietheminxx wrote: »
    They each had at least one whole film dedicated to character development though :P

    That doesn't justify a film that someone elsewhere described as lacking a soul, which is a good way of describing the problem. Even with the scenes that were meant to pack an emotional punch, such as
    Coulson dying and Stark nearly killing himself to get rid of the nuke,
    something was lacking.

    Whedon left a lot of stuff on the editing floor, all seemingly related to character/plot development, that's the problem IMO. A lot of scenes suffer due to this and don't have the big emotional pay off that they should.


  • #899
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Lads - i dont think its that type of film (character dev, emotional payoff).

    Its a popcorn eating blockbuster not designed, IMO, to redefine the superhero genre. If anything, Joss has given us the amalgam movie that at least I have been wanting for ages.

    I think you are all just dissapointed its not TDK, except with Marvel; which says more about your expectations than it does about the movie.


  • #900
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Pter wrote: »
    Lads - i dont think its that type of film (character dev, emotional payoff).

    Its a popcorn eating blockbuster not designed, IMO, to redefine the superhero genre. If anything, Joss has given us the amalgam movie that at least I have been wanting for ages.

    I think you are all just dissapointed its not TDK, except with Marvel; which says more about your expectations than it does about the movie.

    I'll give you an example, Terminator 2, arguably the best action flick ever. But it also had great heart and developed characters, with one of the most memorable and iconic endings ever.

    But, you are also suggesting that it doesn't try to be anything more than a popcirn eating blockbuster when it clearly does,
    they completely missed the mark on the Coulson death scene for example.


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  • #901
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,081 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Pter wrote: »
    which says more about your expectations than it does about the movie.

    We could say the exact same thing, which I think puts us at an impasse that will never be adequately resolved :)


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