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What a spineless nation...

  • 16-02-2012 7:15pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 18 jewett


    I am ashamed to be Irish today.

    As a taxpayer , lets get this straight from the start - I do not condone social welfare fraud.

    However, I find it extremely sad that people - neighbors, relatives and friends and now "ratting" on each other to the state. There is now going to an atmosphere of mutual distrust in our communities. This is like something of what would of happened in East Germany.

    Meanwhile, when it comes to corrupt politicians, bankers and senior civil servants. These spineless people won't take to the streets. Instead, they hide behind the anonymity of email or text messaging. They will tolerate corruption as long as its done by people in suits. Sickening.

    Ireland really is changing for the worse.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    somebody tell on you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    jewett wrote: »
    I am ashamed to be Irish today.

    RyanAir are doing specials on flights to Australia if you're interested.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    Yeah. . . .and Lisa needs braces!


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    You are more than welcome to leave......


  • Registered Users Posts: 51,114 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    It is the duty of every citizen to report crime especially when we are all paying for it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭boobar


    jewett wrote: »
    I am ashamed to be Irish today.

    As a taxpayer , lets get this straight from the start - I do not condone social welfare fraud.

    However, I find it extremely sad that people - neighbors, relatives and friends and now "ratting" on each other to the state. There is now going to an atmosphere of mutual distrust in our communities. This is like something of what would of happened in East Germany.

    Meanwhile, when it comes to corrupt politicians, bankers and senior civil servants. These spineless people won't take to the streets. Instead, they hide behind the anonymity of email or text messaging. They will tolerate corruption as long as its done by people in suits. Sickening.

    Ireland really is changing for the worse.

    Are you not contradicting yourself? You say you don't condone social welfare fraud but then you accuse anyone who reports social welfare fraud of "ratting".

    Are you saying you don't want people to commit social welfare fraud but if you see if happening, you expect everyone to turn a blind eye?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    If a person is robbing me as a taxpayer and robbing all other citizens I would report them and feel they should be punished. I don't see an issue with this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Fùck that noise. My taxes pay for Jacinta's weed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,583 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    jewett wrote: »
    I am ashamed to be Irish today.

    As a taxpayer , lets get this straight from the start - I do not condone social welfare fraud.

    However, I find it extremely sad that people - neighbors, relatives and friends and now "ratting" on each other to the state. There is now going to an atmosphere of mutual distrust in our communities. This is like something of what would of happened in East Germany.

    Meanwhile, when it comes to corrupt politicians, bankers and senior civil servants. These spineless people won't take to the streets. Instead, they hide behind the anonymity of email or text messaging. They will tolerate corruption as long as its done by people in suits. Sickening.

    Ireland really is changing for the worse.

    "ratting on"...FFS. I suppose if a mate of yours was involved in a hit and run you wouldn't report them either?


  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Gi joe!


    Go do something about it then, if you feel that this is a problem. Honestly what are you hoping to accomplish with this post?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭robman60


    So you're okay with people fraudelently claiming YOUR tax money every week? Would you not report it if someone was stealing €188 from you each week? It's effectively stealing my money and your money, I know I'd report it.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    jewett wrote: »

    However, I find it extremely sad that people - neighbors, relatives and friends and now "ratting" on each other to the state. There is now going to an atmosphere of mutual distrust in our communities.

    Total violation of the Carnie Code..


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr. Manager


    Do what I did, move country and enjoy life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    It is the duty of every citizen to report crime especially when we are all paying for it.

    Would you report your neighbor for smoking a spliff on his back porch?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    jewett wrote: »
    I am ashamed to be Irish today.

    As a taxpayer , lets get this straight from the start - I do not condone social welfare fraud.

    However, I find it extremely sad that people - neighbors, relatives and friends and now "ratting" on each other to the state. There is now going to an atmosphere of mutual distrust in our communities. This is like something of what would of happened in East Germany.

    Meanwhile, when it comes to corrupt politicians, bankers and senior civil servants. These spineless people won't take to the streets. Instead, they hide behind the anonymity of email or text messaging. They will tolerate corruption as long as its done by people in suits. Sickening.

    Ireland really is changing for the worse.


    Even when I read tripe like the above, and as fully aware as I am that many people in Ireland leave a lot to be desired in many respects, I would never deny that I am proud to be Irish.:rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Surely it's possible to dislike welfare fraud enough to report it, but also to hate high-level political and business corruption.

    It's not like we have to deal with the big things first, then the little things. We can do both.

    Having said that, I do think there's a disproportionate anger towards welfare fraud in this country, given the cost of it, and the fact that it's always happened.

    But we don't have to choose one thing to condemn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18 jewett


    boobar wrote: »
    Are you not contradicting yourself? You say you don't condone social welfare fraud but then you accuse anyone who reports social welfare fraud of "ratting".

    What I am saying is why do people take action when their is anonymity?

    Where has the affirmative action been when it comes to corrupt bankers,
    senior civil servants and politicians? None. People have just sat on their
    h@les doing sweet fa.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    mikom wrote: »
    Would you report your neighbor for smoking a spliff on his back porch?

    Well now some might say can you prove its a spliff??


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    mikom wrote: »
    It is the duty of every citizen to report crime especially when we are all paying for it.

    Would you report your neighbor for smoking a spliff on his back porch?
    "...crime that disadvantages others..."


  • Registered Users Posts: 51,114 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    mikom wrote: »
    Would you report your neighbor for smoking a spliff on his back porch?

    Jesus Mikom, is that you ? Could you keep it quiet tonight please and go easy on your girlfriend as the walls are very thin :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Phoenix Park


    mikom wrote: »
    Would you report your neighbor for smoking a spliff on his back porch?

    I'd report him for not inviting me over.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,042 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    It is the duty of every citizen to report crime especially when we are all paying for it.

    Yeah, but only those that we don't indulge in ourselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Christ this place is so full of sense now.
    God be with the days of Flutterin bantum..... :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭scotty_irish


    mikom wrote: »
    Would you report your neighbor for smoking a spliff on his back porch?

    victimless "crime".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    victimless "crime".

    Howya, I'm Mikom.
    You new here?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,042 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    victimless "crime".

    Aye, the illicit drugs trade has never had any victims whatsoever.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,587 ✭✭✭Feisar


    TheZohan wrote: »
    "ratting on"...FFS. I suppose if a mate of yours was involved in a hit and run you wouldn't report them either?

    Define what a friend is, if it's a casual acquaintance/drinking buddy at the weekends then yea report them. A real friend who's been there through thick and thin, no not a chance.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    Was listening to the chat on Mat Cooper...
    I don't have a link or anything but it seems...

    SW staff makes errors to the tune of 2.5 times the amount of fraud that occurs... And that fraud is only about 0.1% of the total budget of SW..


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    jewett wrote: »
    I am ashamed to be Irish today.

    As a taxpayer , lets get this straight from the start - I do not condone social welfare fraud.

    However, I find it extremely sad that people - neighbors, relatives and friends and now "ratting" on each other to the state. There is now going to an atmosphere of mutual distrust in our communities. This is like something of what would of happened in East Germany.

    Meanwhile, when it comes to corrupt politicians, bankers and senior civil servants. These spineless people won't take to the streets. Instead, they hide behind the anonymity of email or text messaging. They will tolerate corruption as long as its done by people in suits. Sickening.

    Ireland really is changing for the worse.


    but in tracksuits its ok, gotcha.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭giles lynchwood


    The government are trying to divide and conquer the people of Ireland and what better way to do that then suspicion.
    Remember,It's only a crime if you get caught.


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