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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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  • #7742
    baldymac
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭baldymac


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Are criminals allowed to decided the length of their sentences and where they serve them?

    If you are going down the road of not paying there could be other consequences for you and your private property. Inform yourself of all the facts.

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2011/7411/b7411s.pdf


    developers didnt get punished so why should we


  • #7743
    phil1nj
    Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭phil1nj


    lugha wrote: »
    I find it hard to take seriously, someone who proposes the tiresome old “cut politicians pay” as solution to a financial crisis. It is a notion that has some merit as a gesture for the purpose of establishing a sense of solidarity between politicians and the people and there is certainly an argument that politicians remuneration is much too high. But it will make no meaningful contribution to the solutions of our problems.
    ?

    It's called showing leadership by example. It also gives politicians something which only a handful of them have right now in this country...... the high moral ground to start to speak to people about austerity. It might also lead to pay reform within other aspects of local and national government (semi-state head salaries, county managers salaries, etc etc). It also rules out union leaders (guys on 100K plus) from spouting nonsense about cutbacks when the people they are attacking are on significantly less than them.

    It is of course a Utopian ideal and one that will never, ever be put in place in this country.


  • #7744
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    ...If you are going down the road of not paying there could be other consequences for you and your private property...

    There was me thinking I read in many posts here, stated by those that want us to pay it, that the home was in no danger!

    I must have been seeing things!
    Which is it?


  • #7745
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    howamidifferent wrote: »
    If slashing politicians pay will make no meaningful contribution to the problem then how does my 100 euro make a difference to it????
    Few:Many


  • #7746
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    baldymac wrote: »
    developers didnt get punished so why should we

    Punish them for what?


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  • #7747
    baldymac
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭baldymac


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Punish them for what?

    finishing the job they set out to do,they borrowed for from the banks


  • #7748
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,474 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Biggins wrote: »
    There was me thinking I read in many posts here, stated by those that want us to pay it, that the home was in no danger!

    I must have been seeing things!
    Which is it?

    I have no idea what you mean. You may indeed have been seeing things.


  • #7749
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Biggins wrote: »
    There was me thinking I read in many posts here, stated by those that want us to pay it, that the home was in no danger!

    I must have been seeing things!
    Which is it?
    ffs biggins - did you even bother to read the link that was posted? I think you know exactly what is being referred to.


  • #7750
    howamidifferent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    dvpower wrote: »
    Few:Many


    Lets see, 1700 houses pay and it goes to Phils pay packet, next 1500 go to pay Berties pension etc..


  • #7751
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    So we are paying for footpaths. Wow. Maybe they should give people a step counter.


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  • #7752
    galwayrush
    Registered Users Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    howamidifferent wrote: »
    Lets see, 1700 houses pay and it goes to Phils pay packet, next 1500 go to pay Berties pension etc..

    Maybe it will go directly to the Councils, have you seen the size of the salaries and retirment packages their top people are 'entitled' to....
    :D


  • #7753
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,389 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    dvpower wrote: »
    ffs biggins - did you even bother to read the link that was posted? I think you know exactly what is being referred to.

    I have yet to read the full text of the PDF outlining the legaglise of the act. I'd love to see it broken down to easily digestible pieces, and will have a google for a break down of it at some point.

    Are you (and others) saying that the government can forcibly take your house from you if you don't pay the charge, similiar to not paying car tax?
    That would be an interesting direction to go down for numerous reasons.


  • #7754
    jluv
    Registered Users Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭jluv


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Think of another subject for tomorrow night's bedtime chat.
    Yep.Got it..Are'nt you glad that we're not being gullible enough to allow politicians fool us into giving money for "local services". Should be a nice evening:D


  • #7755
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,389 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    So we are paying for footpaths. Wow. Maybe they should give people a step counter.

    The upkeep of footpaths I think was the actual term used, the interview is on newstalk player somewhere I would think.


  • #7756
    jluv
    Registered Users Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭jluv


    dvpower wrote: »
    What evidence do you have for this extraordinary claim that the government have been thieving money from the Local Government budget?
    Ha! lol


  • #7757
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    kippy wrote: »
    I have yet to read the full text of the PDF outlining the legaglise of the act. I'd love to see it broken down to easily digestible pieces, and will have a google for a break down of it at some point.

    Are you (and others) saying that the government can forcibly take your house from you if you don't pay the charge, similiar to not paying car tax?
    That would be an interesting direction to go down for numerous reasons.
    They cannot take your house.
    They can (and will) put a charge on your house which means that when you sell or transfer your house, the sale can't go through until the charge is paid.

    That was the consequence that allister was referring to; biggins well knows this but was playing games.


  • #7758
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    dvpower wrote: »
    What evidence do you have for this extraordinary claim that the government have been thieving money from the Local Government budget?

    Its been stated many a time by politics.ie (example LINK) and lies undisputed by politicians.
    Its been stated in the Dail.
    Its been stated even on the Late Late show last Friday (go watch my video links again)- and was even not disputed then!

    But seeing as I get the impression, you think I'm still lying, so here is more links...

    * The Government claims that money raised from the household tax will fund libraries, parks and the fire service. But they won’t tell you that in order to fund the bailout they cut €170 million from the Local Gov- ernment Fund, which will close libraries, parks and fire stations.
    source: http://nohouseholdtax.org/dont-register-dont-pay-our-chance-to-say-no-to-austerity/

    * The cutting back of 170 million by central government to councils so they can fund defunct banks
    Source: http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/177106-poll-shows-almost-half-people-will-not-pay-household-charge-23.html

    * “The money from the charge will go towards central funds just like any other tax,” said Mr Burke. “Considering that the Government hopes to raise €160 million from this and has cut €170 million from local services, it is clear it will be going to the bondholders.”
    Source: http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/50124/battle-lines-drawn-as-household-charge-payment-deadline-looms

    Want more sources?
    Still think I'm talking thought my backside?
    I think you need to start asking questions to your local TD!

    I cannot believe you did not know this!
    Seriously?
    Its well known and has been debated in the Dail!


  • #7759
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,474 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    kippy wrote: »
    I have yet to read the full text of the PDF outlining the legaglise of the act. I'd love to see it broken down to easily digestible pieces, and will have a google for a break down of it at some point.

    Are you (and others) saying that the government can forcibly take your house from you if you don't pay the charge, similiar to not paying car tax?
    That would be an interesting direction to go down for numerous reasons.

    See pages 35 to 39 for a summary of the legislation. There is no clause allowing for the sequester of seizure of property.


  • #7760
    jluv
    Registered Users Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭jluv


    dvpower wrote: »
    Have a look under the 'services' section of your local authority website. What services do you wish to discontinue?
    None but theres a lot I'd love to have...


  • #7761
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    kippy wrote: »
    The upkeep of footpaths I think was the actual term used, the interview is on newstalk player somewhere I would think.

    LOL. When was the last time you ever saw a local authority out repairing a footpath? Or a pothole for that matter. Even in the good times.

    Little tidbit for you local Authorites spend a significant proportion of their budgets in the last six weeks. If they don't spend their budget in full they get less the following year. How exactly does this promote value for money?:D


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  • #7762
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,474 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    jluv wrote: »
    Ha! lol

    Did you know your friend who was helping you with your grammar yesterday got banned for being a naughty boy.


  • #7763
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,389 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    dvpower wrote: »
    They cannot take your house.
    They can (and will) put a charge on your house which means that when you sell or transfer your house, the sale can't go through until the charge is paid.

    That was the consequence that allister was referring to; biggins well knows this but was playing games.
    Ah yes, I think I may have heard about that.


  • #7764
    porsche boy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭porsche boy


    galwayrush wrote: »
    Maybe it will go directly to the Councils, have you seen the size of the salaries and retirment packages their top people are 'entitled' to....
    :D

    not a single council has accounted for the €100 per house in this years budgets. This is because the €100 is not going to the council, it's going to bridge the gap in the next bond payment. Maybe in future if this runs then the local council's will benefit but the €100 per house is a "registration fee" as has been stated by the government and is not being forwarded to the local council.


  • #7765
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Biggins wrote: »
    Want more sources?
    Still think I'm talking thought my backside?
    I think you need to start asking questions to your local TD!

    I cannot believe you did not know this!
    Seriously?
    I want evidence to back up what you said i.e. that the government are thieving money.
    You are providing links to something entirely different.

    You're very loose with your language around here biggins.


  • #7766
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,389 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    LOL. When was the last time you ever saw a local authority out repairing a footpath? Or a pothole for that matter. Even in the good times.

    Little tidbit for you local Authorites spend a significant proportion of their budgets in the last six weeks. If they don't spend their budget in full they get less the following year. How exactly does this promote value for money?:D
    Sorry, don't shoot the messenger.


  • #7767
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Biggins wrote: »
    Thats too short a question.

    Maybe it should be: How should one propose to fund something with HOME TAX money that maybe spent 6(?) years ago, that the homebuyer is still paying on, with interest on till the end of their mortgage?

    Ok, lets go with your question! The money is spent! So how so you suppose we unspend it to pay for services?
    Biggins wrote: »
    They were glad enough to take it then to fund services supposedly.
    They of course, were the FF government. And the spent it on all manner of things, including (perhaps unwisely) reducing the tax take. (Presumably you will not be volunteering to return any such stamp money that was “misspent” in such ways, and for your benefit?)
    Biggins wrote: »
    Now when our government has taken €170 million from the councils per year, they want us to fill the hole (again) due to their thieving/syphoning off!
    Thieving? Why do you call it thieving? Do you imagine that they pocketed the €170 million for themselves? We have a massive deficit to bridge and this is one of the many things they will do (i.e. restructure how local services are funded). You might call it many things, but thieving is just silly.


  • #7768
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    jluv wrote: »
    None but theres a lot I'd love to have...

    ... would require funding.


  • #7769
    jluv
    Registered Users Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭jluv


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Did you know your friend who was helping you with your grammar yesterday got banned for being a naughty boy.
    And what would that have to do with the fact that I found something funny???


  • #7770
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    phil1nj wrote: »
    It's called showing leadership by example. It also gives politicians something which only a handful of them have right now in this country...... the high moral ground to start to speak to people about austerity. It might also lead to pay reform within other aspects of local and national government (semi-state head salaries, county managers salaries, etc etc). It also rules out union leaders (guys on 100K plus) from spouting nonsense about cutbacks when the people they are attacking are on significantly less than them.

    It is of course a Utopian ideal and one that will never, ever be put in place in this country.
    Ok, if you think such things important. But what will it do to make a meaningful contribution to the solutions of our problems? Nothing!


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  • #7771
    porsche boy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭porsche boy


    MightyBouche wrote: »
    The top earners in this country pay a disproportionate amount of tax and account for the majority of the tax paid in this country. That is a fact and none of your accusations of tax evasion or avoidance will make that any different.

    Don't begrudge their success merely because you haven't enjoyed any yourself. Be glad that so many have stuck around to keep the country running through paying taxes on their income and companies and indirectly through employing people who themselves pay tax.

    list of some tax defaulters and amounts paid
    nuf said.


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