Would you live in a nation built purposely for the lgbt community?

wakka12 wrote: »

Thats where you're wrong.Straight people are exactly why many gay people aren't comfortable with their sexuality.You think non straight humans are the only humans who happen to be uncomfortable with their sexuality, through no fault of straight people? They may not be consciously oppressing gay people at present in the west but a history of centuries of persecution takes a while to fade.

No disrespect meant, but unless you're actually a couple of centuries old, you're simply appropriating historical persecution to justify your insecurity with regard to other people.

You say "straight people are exactly why..." like being straight is any more something they had a choice in than being gay is something you had a choice in. People, regardless of how you choose to label or identify them, can be prejudiced against other people or their behaviour for an infinite number of reasons.

You're doing it right now yourself in suggesting that because people who are straight exist, they're somehow preventing you from expressing affection for another man in public.

People who are straight can be just as negatively judgemental of other straight people's behaviour in exactly, exactly and no different to the way in which if you get out a bit more, you'll realise that people who are gay can be just as negatively judgmental of other people who are gay expressing affection for each other in public.

Some people simply find PDA's cringeworthy regardless of a person's gender, sex or sexual orientation. Some people are indifferent to it, and some people actively avoid PDA in public because they're afraid of what other people are thinking of them.

Do you honestly think if your imaginary country existed, that people would be naturally tolerant, understanding and accepting of each other simply because they share only one trait in common?

Far more likely given a couple of generations you'd end up with the same history as many other countries throughout history as people fought for political and socioeconomic superiority. Be no amount of kissing and making up would ever prevent human nature from coming to the surface over time if there weren't social constraints in place to prevent people from exhibiting prejudice towards others. We're working towards that point in society right now, and you want to start fresh in a new country with a blank slate and think you could do any better than millenia of human social evolution?


It's an ideal in theory, but given too much thought you could easily tend to forget that people are more than just one single aspect of themselves that causes you to feel insecure about yourself. There's plenty, plenty I as a cisgender, heterosexual white male feel insecure about, but instead of feeling guilty about what makes me part of a majority in many ways, I sometimes allow my insecurities to control my behaviour and even my attitude towards other people. I really wish I could just turn off the insecurities within me that fuel my prejudices towards other people, but I can't, I can only learn to challenge those prejudices within myself to overcome my insecurities.

I sure as hell don't have any right to go around blaming other people for something they have no control over. That's exactly what you're doing when you complain that other people make you feel insecure about yourself, and if only you weren't faced with dealing with them, your life would be so much easier. That's the dream for everyone who's ever had to deal with an asshole, and really, there's no shortage of those, throughout history, wherever you go - you're always going to meet people who don't like you, and people you don't like, for an infinite number of reasons. The onus is upon you to learn how to deal with them, rather than expect that they're going to change any time soon to suit you.

What would the flag of the country be?

Silly me, the rainbow flag of course.

No, I don't think a country like this working out, it would be attacked by countries that you mention as being the suppliers of the oppressed founders.

It would lead to WWIII.

The gay nation would not work, very simply because it would get blown off the face of the planet by some extremist country, the world is not ready for that. It just creates a target for them.

In regards to wakkas view on straight people, being to blame for his reluctance showing PDA's. I would agree with him to a point. Obviously a large percentage of straight people(like myself) dont have an issue with it. But it just takes one or two bad experiences to make someone think about what they are doing. Also I have been on the receiving end of some abuse from gay people on a night out, mainly because of one stupid guy, but it woudn't make me tarnish the straighphobia/hetrophobia tag on any other gay person, so this is where i think he is going wrong. Maybe he is worrying too much about what others think, or what actions they might take, which is understandable, but the thing is, those people who are going have negtive thoughts or take negative actions, care little for what he thinks, so why give them so much respect. In a different country maybe, but not in your own one.