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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Mother of divine Jaysus :eek:

    Further unless one regards the pornographers right to make a profit as equivalent to the child's right not to be raped then if a piece of pornography causes or contributes to the above activities it should be prevented.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Just My View


    Porn doesn't contribute to deviant sexual behaviour in much the same way as cookery books don't lead to trying new recipies.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    It is not necessary that a given piece of pornography lead to sexual violence or paedophilic activities in the case of every viewer of that piece of pornography in order that the piece of pornography be described as leading to sexual violence or paedophilic activities. It is only necessary that it lead to such behaviour in one single case.
    In that single case how can you say its porns fault? Do you really think that paedos would never think of having sex with a child if he had no acces to porn?
    Further unless one regards the pornographers right to make a profit as equivalent to the child's right not to be raped then if a piece of pornography causes or contributes to the above activities it should be prevented.
    So blame the maker for someone who abuses the product? Do gun makers get blamed in murders?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    [2] It creates bizarre and unnatural sexual desires and makes people feel like sexual failures if they aren't rimming goats

    jesus MM what kind of porn are you watching?? or maybe you are just exaggerating to make a point? little tip - if you have to exaggerate to make the point, it's a weak point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    In that single case how can you say its porns fault? Do you really think that paedos would never think of having sex with a child if he had no acces to porn?
    There may be one or persons for whom that is true. By seeing it on screen a vague desire may be concretised.
    Ciaran500 wrote:
    So blame the maker for someone who abuses the product? Do gun makers get blamed in murders?
    Yes all the time.

    MM


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    tbh wrote:
    jesus MM what kind of porn are you watching?? or maybe you are just exaggerating to make a point? little tip - if you have to exaggerate to make the point, it's a weak point.
    Fair enough: Porn creates the belief that sex is a sort of competition, one has to engage in odder and odder behaviour. So if you like man on top woman underneath kissing and ****ing with the same woman then you are a loser.
    Just as a for example what about the advice on cunnilingus sometimes given here to 'watch porn' that is just wrong.
    So porn makes you feel like a sexual failure then turns you into one.

    MM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    Fair enough: Porn creates the belief that sex is a sort of competition, one has to engage in odder and odder behaviour. So if you like man on top woman underneath kissing and ****ing with the same woman then you are a loser.

    where are you getting this from? Is that your opinion or wha? cause I have to say, it doesn't have that effect on me, or anyone I know.
    I'm not denying that it happens, just maybe thats a personal thing for you, don't tar us all with the same brush.
    So porn makes you feel like a sexual failure then turns you into one.
    MM

    replace "you" with "me" and I'll accept your point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    There may be one or persons for whom that is true. By seeing it on screen a vague desire may be concretised.
    So its gone from "It creates bizarre and unnatural sexual desires" to it may happen. Yay, lets start banning stuff that may cause problems.

    You're posting nothing but speculation, that in my experience and other people on here is completleyt untrue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    It is not necessary that a given piece of pornography lead to sexual violence or paedophilic activities in the case of every viewer of that piece of pornography in order that the piece of pornography be described as leading to sexual violence or paedophilic activities. It is only necessary that it lead to such behaviour in one single case.
    MM

    Your specious reasoning reminds me of a quote from a Judge Dredd comic years back:
    [QUOTE-Judge Death]All crime is commited by the living, therefore life itself is a crime![/QUOTE]

    Granted he was a little more menacing and had lots of ssss's after most words, but the point is that you are incorrectly diagnosing the cause of the problem and wanting others to be blamed incorrectly as a result.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,382 ✭✭✭Motley Crue


    I have a love/hate relationship with porn. On the one hand I think people should be allowed do whatever they want as long as everyone is agreeing

    This is kind of a contradiction in terms, I mean, if I decided that the Rolling Stones should be killed and I was able to get enough signatories in agreeance then I still just should be allowed to kill Mick Jagger et all just because people are agreeing with me, I should accept that Murder is wrong and against the law. It works with all sorts of examples, but people doing whatever they want according to everyone agreeing will never happen because unilaterial thinking is not a trait of the human race.
    The fact that I have that small "it's wrong" feeling kind of makes me even more interested in porn.

    As it does with me, I mean I certainly wouldnt feel objected to looking at porn, but I think that (especially when I was 16 and 17) porn had a more alluring appeal then...lets say, vandalism...because you couldnt get arrested for looking at porn and because when it was mentioned youre parents went 'oh god, filthy disgusting stuff'

    On an off point, I used to work in a newsagent when I was 16, and at the end of the month the girls who worked with me used to give me a full brown paper bag of pornography (theyd rip off the front cover and give me the rest of the magazine cause they were supposed to throw that part out) because they were a couple of years older then me and said it would help me apprichate a woman more if I knew what her bits and pieces looked like before I really saw them, I can honestly say, it was the first exposure I ever had of a naked women
    I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it

    Again, as with my previous experience, I dont believe its right to give people the oppuruntity to buy that kind of hardcore material in a local Centra (or even the City Centre branches) but I think its up to the individual on whether or not they want to buy it


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    humanji wrote:
    Your specious reasoning reminds me of a quote from a Judge Dredd comic years back:


    Granted he was a little more menacing and had lots of ssss's after most words, but the point is that you are incorrectly diagnosing the cause of the problem and wanting others to be blamed incorrectly as a result.
    My reasoning is specious but your authority is a character from a comic.
    Nice one.

    MM


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    My reasoning is specious but your authority is a character from a comic.
    Nice one.

    MM

    It was a quote that shows equally specious reasoning as your own, but on an exaggerated scale to show the absurdity of it. You're claiming that all porn is dangerous because one person might be affected by it. It's ludicrous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    There is an extremely close correlation between 'acting' in porn and methamphetamine / cocaine addiction.
    There is an extermely close correlation between drug addiction and acting fullstop, be it in porn or $200 million Hollywood movies. How many Hollywood actors have died of drug over doses in the last 10 years?

    Any industry that pays people large amounts of money for little "work" (I'm sure Tom Cruise believes what he is doing is work, but it ain't cleaning toliets for 8 hours) will attract or produce some people with drug problems, simply because the combination of quick money and large periods of non-working "down time," including a culture of parties and having a good time, allows someone to take up drugs..
    Further the actors have a very high suicide rate and end up with nothing.
    The vast majority of the actors do not end up with nothing. Where did you get that from? What you think they aren't paid?
    It creates bizarre and unnatural sexual desires and makes people feel like sexual failures if they aren't rimming goats
    The overwhelming vast majority of pornography produced in the US and Europe shows men and women having the same kind of sex that you can find in any bed room up and down the country. Beastality is illegal in the US and most EU countries, and as such the porn studios cannot legally produce such material. I would imagine that if someone is that bothered to seek out a woman rimming a goat they already have "unnatural sexual desires"
    It is about the objectification and degradation of women: Pornography means writing about whores
    Both the men and the women in porn are objectified. That is the point. Most porn movies that attempt to put story or characterisation into the movie come across being silly.
    The people who actually make the money are scum
    I suggest you watch "Porn: A Family Business" on E4, about the family who produces the Seymore Butts range of videos. While I wouldn't call them angels they certainly wouldn't be "scum"
    It is an addiction and leads from FHM, to Hustler, to Ass Eating Bitches to 9 Year Old Hussies, to Dead Sluts
    Is that what happened to you....?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    humanji wrote:
    It was a quote that shows equally specious reasoning as your own, but on an exaggerated scale to show the absurdity of it. You're claiming that all porn is dangerous because one person might be affected by it. It's ludicrous.
    If one person might be affected by Porn then it is dangerous. You might regard your right to jerk off or bob Guccione's right to make a profit as equivalent to a child's right to a childhood, but if the even one child is raped because of porn or if it can be asserted that even one child might be raped then it should be banned.

    MM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    Wicknight wrote:
    Is that what happened to you....?
    I don't watch porn.

    MM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    If one person might be affected by Porn then it is dangerous. You might regard your right to jerk off or bob Guccione's right to make a profit as equivalent to a child's right to a childhood, but if the even one child is raped because of porn or if it can be asserted that even one child might be raped then it should be banned.

    MM

    I look forward to your "ban driving" thread. and your "ban drinking" thread. And....etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    If one person might be affected by Porn then it is dangerous. You might regard your right to jerk off or bob Guccione's right to make a profit as equivalent to a child's right to a childhood, but if the even one child is raped because of porn or if it can be asserted that even one child might be raped then it should be banned.

    You are aware that producing or viewing child pornography is illegal in Ireland and most (all?) western countries including the largest producer of adult entertainment the US of A?

    Both Ronald Regan, a US president, and John Lennon, one of the most influentail persons in popular culture of the last 100 years, were shot "because" of the book 'Catcher in the Rye'. Do you think books should be banned?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Froot


    AFAIK porn is anything which provokes sexual thoughts which has no artistic merit.

    Personally I think that porn is fine if you want to watch it. I dont see porn as having artistic merit, but I also do not think that it is a bad thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 884 ✭✭✭NutJob


    There's been porn filmed in Ireland for years(in unexpected places).

    To be honest this is a no win discussion for 100s of years with hard-liners on both sides.

    As far as im concerned each unto there own and if that's what swings ur gate and ur not hurting anyone why should it matter.

    I don't see the link between porn and child abuse the same way i don't see a link between cigarettes cocaine.

    As for drug abuse in the porn industry i have no proof either way but im sure forcing it underground wont help.

    The one thing i would say is i wouldn't like to see mass market Amsterdam type red light districts but im sure theirs a sensible middle ground.

    But i doubt we will ever find a middle found as the Stringfellows found out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭hairyheretic


    If one person might be affected by Porn then it is dangerous.

    By that rational, everything is dangerous. Driving, walking down the street, eating, drinking, swimming, going for an operation. Should we ban everything?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mountainyman
    If one person might be affected by Porn then it is dangerous.

    By that rationale, everything is dangerous. Driving, walking down the street, eating, drinking, swimming, going for an operation. Should we ban everything?

    Indeed. Mountainyman that is a ridiculously extreme viewpoint. By your reasoning there wouldn't be much left to do after we'd finished banning just about everyting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Aoife-FM104


    From my favorite website (!!), I thought these points might be suitable here -

    Why violent porn should not be banned
    How the Internet prevents rape
    Porn up, rape down?
    More sexual repression dressed up as "protection of women"

    Makes interesting reading!


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,148 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    It is also one of the few industries where the women get paid much more than the men.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    If one person might be affected by Porn then it is dangerous. You might regard your right to jerk off or bob Guccione's right to make a profit as equivalent to a child's right to a childhood, but if the even one child is raped because of porn or if it can be asserted that even one child might be raped then it should be banned.

    MM
    haha, now you're stuck because you have to concede Wicknight's point, even though you don't believe it!

    You should get your opinions in order before you start posting contradictory crap :) hehehehe......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭GWolf


    Personally, no problem at all with porn. IT's hardly unnatural or anyhting. As long as the person viewing it is of age and not a pervert or psycho, no problem.


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