How pregnancy happens.

Nevyn · 26-09-2007 8:35am

There are other stickies which give information and if this educates and lessens the number of OMG am I pregger threads and pms then it it a good thing.

Zulu · 26-09-2007 9:37am

Thaedydal wrote:

There are other stickies which give information and if this educates and lessens the number of OMG am I pregger threads and pms then it it a good thing.

I'd be surprised if knowing about the existence of a seminal pool, or that if the egg chooses the sperm will prevent any "OMG am I pregger" threads. Granted though - if it prevents one it's worth it.

Perhaps a sticky on contraception...

faceman · 26-09-2007 10:54am

Dont get me wrong Thaedydal, I understand what you are trying to achieve and its good. Maybe this is something that can be expanded on. Maybe getting a bonafida doctor in that area to provide some down-to-earth blurb to stick in the thread?

Talliesin · 26-09-2007 12:03pm

irish-stew wrote:

although some pro life groups take the moral stance that the zygote formed at fertilisation is when life/pregnacy starts, the medical arguement that its implantation that is required to maintain it

The question of when life starts and when pregnancy starts are two different ones with different sets of implications. Pregnancy is the condition a woman is in when her body is reacting the implantation. Whether that counts as life or not is another matter.

faceman wrote:

true, but its told unnecessary me by 2 fictional extremist stereotypes who's personality has a part to play in the story telling.

If you can do a better job then there's nothing stopping you.

The fact is that it's engaging and also conveys a lot of information that people keep asking about or else demonstrating that they have the wrong end of the stick about.

shadow_2070 · 26-09-2007 12:43pm

... very informative ... I wonder if the Department of Education would consider it

faceman · 26-09-2007 2:11pm

Talliesin wrote:

If you can do a better job then there's nothing stopping you.

wrote:

The fact is that it's engaging and also conveys a lot of information that people keep asking about or else demonstrating that they have the wrong end of the stick about.

It can be engaging without the stereotyping sexism.

Look, no one is knocking its informative nature, what I, and some of my boardsies feel, is that the piece is sexist in its portrayal of men. Now while most of us here are of a mature age and can take the sexist piece with a pinch of salt, we're not really the target audience. The target audience i would imagine is the younger pubescent type. Why should young boys see themselves typified by a sexist sterotype? What message is that giving?

Latchy · 26-09-2007 4:03pm

Reminds me of the opening squence of some film like American pie or the girl next door .The penis guy is a right knobhead he he ..

Nevyn · 26-09-2007 4:32pm

Are you telling me that most young males do know all that information ?
As it stands the clip is grond breaking and informative.

If you want to talk about if it is sexit or sterotypical start a thread in humanites.

JC 2K3 · 26-09-2007 8:29pm

Ground breaking???

In any case, I don't recall seeing all that many threads in PI asking about the biological process of getting pregnant, and I don't see how detailed information like that is relevant to this forum. There's no information about contraception in that video and the only Personal Issues related content in it is vaguely dispelling a few myths such as not being able to get pregnant after first time sex.

A thread with a few bullet pointed facts about pregnancy and contraception would be a good idea rather than this sexist pop-biology video.

Also, you said it would reduce the amount of "OMG I'm Preggers" threads on here. How exactly will this help anyone who is already pregnant?

JabberJaws · 24-10-2007 5:44pm

So now, if you have kids...just play this for them when the time comes to explaining birds and bees....:-p HA!

Nevyn · 24-10-2007 5:48pm

No.

Sex eduction should not be about THAT talk but a series of converstaion between children and their parents about reproduction in the world around them and the differences between boys and girls and how they change into men and women and about where babies comes from and then about what sexual intercourse is.

http://www.crisispregnancy.ie/parentresource.html

Is a good place to start as it deals with the facts and how to talk to children about such things.

JabberJaws · 24-10-2007 5:52pm

I was kidding! My point was, you have to have a sense of humor a sometimes and not be so serious and timid... I find people listen more if you are more easy going.

LegacyUser · 23-11-2007 3:37pm

i learned something too

i didnt know the egg can pick the sperm

how cools that

Piste · 24-11-2007 1:31am

You'd think if the egg can pick the sperm it could tell the ones that carry faulty gene's or disease/syndrome carrying genes to fo.

Though I know sfa about biology so there could very well be a good reason for this

nastysimon · 12-12-2007 3:24am

It's quite informative, witty, slick, and well targeted.
It's also quite sexist. The constant putting down of the male character, along with the rather misleading "the egg then decides which sperm", which suggests some thought process (these are single haploid cells, not capable of thought, decision or even beating Jordan at a game of chess) suggests an element of empowerment to the female character. Ultimately, this is aimed at young women to whom this sexist slant is hardly likely to offend, and may even prove attractive by showing an empowered, intelligent and witty female character besting a dim and childish male one.
It's a good piece of work, but hardly suitable for teaching guys. The weak male character will just turn them off and make it far less effective. It would be analogous to having Alex Ferguson teach women about putting on a condom. That said, most guys of the age at which this is aimed wouldn't be too interested in the topic anyway, so it's not really all that important.

JC 2K3 · 12-12-2007 5:14pm

It's still a pretty stupid thing to be sticked at the top of PI.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-12-2007 8:03pm

nastysimon wrote: »

It would be analogous to having Alex Ferguson teach women about putting on a condom.

That would be the best thing ever. I'd wear a condom at all times if he did that!

That said, most guys of the age at which this is aimed wouldn't be too interested in the topic anyway, so it's not really all that important.

Eh don't think so, I would have been! I knew dick went in baby comes out but because our science teacher never covered it in junior cert it's only quite recently I learned the scientific detail.
Guys are terrified of babies at that age

wicklowmale · 10-02-2008 5:40pm

That was very good and easy to watch, i learnt a bit too. Excellent!!

cjmcork · 22-03-2008 1:19am

that was good - they should show that to the kids in schools

Ruby-J · 27-06-2008 3:23pm

Very funny but also very educating!

When can i catch this show on tv????

R0ot · 04-07-2008 3:03pm

That vid was excellent.

Ghost Girl · 08-07-2008 5:25pm

Brilliant - send it to the schools cause some schools still dance around the topic! I'll never forget my biology teacher telling the class "and pregnancy doesn't happen straight away - trust me im a mother of 5"....but she never went into detail!

Phototoxin · 12-07-2008 4:58pm

It's quite informative, witty, slick, and well targeted.
It's also quite sexist. The constant putting down of the male character, along with the rather misleading "the egg then decides which sperm", which suggests some thought process (these are single haploid cells, not capable of thought, decision or even beating Jordan at a game of chess) suggests an element of empowerment to the female character. Ultimately, this is aimed at young women to whom this sexist slant is hardly likely to offend, and may even prove attractive by showing an empowered, intelligent and witty female character besting a dim and childish male one.
It's a good piece of work, but hardly suitable for teaching guys. The weak male character will just turn them off and make it far less effective. It would be analogous to having Alex Ferguson teach women about putting on a condom. That said, most guys of the age at which this is aimed wouldn't be too interested in the topic anyway, so it's not really all that important.

I concur with the sexist slant. However its also slightly inaccurate as it states that you aren't pregnant until the embryo has implanted into the uterus.

Nevyn · 12-07-2008 5:01pm

A woman is not consider pregant until implantion occurs she may have concieved but is not considered pregnant until that happens.

Phototoxin · 12-07-2008 5:07pm

you can be pregnant without the embryo implanting in the uterus.

Nevyn · 12-07-2008 5:08pm

No you can't that is not how medically pregnancy is measured.
Post conception contraception does not end pregnancy.

Phototoxin · 12-07-2008 5:11pm

Yes you can. Etopic pregnancy ?

Anyway the point of the thead is to explain how pregancy happens and I suppose the video does do it in a slightly biased way.

I've not mentioned contraception.

The_Minister · 12-07-2008 5:37pm

Etopic pregnancy is where the embryo implants in the wrong place (fallopean tubes etc.).

Thaedydal is right when she says that normally you aren't considered pregnant until implantation.
There is however some disagreement on this point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_pregnancy_controversy, but in general most medical authorities choose implantation as their benchmark.

Nevyn · 12-07-2008 8:29pm

And certain religous agencys will say life/pregnancy begins at conception.

Phototoxin · 12-07-2008 10:28pm

Thaedydal is right when she says that normally you aren't considered pregnant until implantation.

I'm not contesting that. Infact that's what I said but i also pointed out that you can have an ectopic pregnancy.

And certain religous agencys will say life/pregnancy begins at conception.

In my experience they say life begins at conception as opposed to pregnancy begins at conception otherwise why have 2 different terms.

How pregnancy happens.

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