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Calorie counts to be added to restaurant food menus

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Cassidy28


    This is just crazy, pure nanny state nonsense. I just saw a picture of James Reilly, and by god does he look very awkward for a minster for health, he seems to be getting stranger looking every time I see him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    Shenshen wrote: »
    And how do you know if a meal is healthy if you've got no idea what went in it when it was being cooked?

    How exactly does calorie counting show you this?
    I'd agree with a list of ingredients, but calorie counting is bullsh1t.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    It's stupid.
    Just adding to the food obsession so many people have.
    Calorie counting is hardly a healthy way of thinking about food.
    Just use your head - eat healthily, eat decent portion sizes, and reduce the cakes and pies - that added with regular exercise and by George you've got it!
    Bloody calorie counting nonsense annoys me.

    Calorie counting isnt nonsense its essential if you want to lose or maintain a healthy weight. You cannot control your weight if you dont control the calories your taking in. Which you cannot do if you dont monitor them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,920 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    I'd rather macro breakdown but calories is okay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    I'd rather macro breakdown but calories is okay.

    how many calories in a bamboo shoot?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    LordSmeg wrote: »
    Calorie counting isnt nonsense its essential if you want to lose or maintain a healthy weight. You cannot control your weight if you dont control the calories your taking in. Which you cannot do if you dont monitor them.

    I've lost a shed load of weight twice now (after I've had each child), and I'll do it again once this baby's out - and none of it will involve calorie counting!!
    It is hardly 'essential'!! lol!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    I've lost a shed load of weight twice now (after I've had each child), and I'll do it again once this baby's out - and none of it will involve calorie counting!!
    It is hardly 'essential'!! lol!!

    the simple fact is. Eat a healthy diet consisting of normal sized portions and plenty of exercise is all ya need to do to keep in shape.


    no fad diet or wonder pill ever really works long term.


    counting calories wont help either. Just eat proper unprocessed food in normal sized portions and you'll be healthy. Eat junk food and well we all know it doesn't end well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    I've lost a shed load of weight twice now (after I've had each child), and I'll do it again once this baby's out - and none of it will involve calorie counting!!
    It is hardly 'essential'!! lol!!

    Is it for most people who are not naturally thin. You stated counting calories that you take in is not a healthy way of thinking about food. You think eating less pies and cakes is equivalent to a healthy diet.

    And you think all this must be true because you have lost weight after a pregnancy ? Yeah you're the kind of person we should be taking advice from alright. lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    LordSmeg wrote: »
    I'd imagine the people happiest about this are those who are health conscious.

    So this will please those who need it least?

    Fantastisch.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shenshen


    I've lost a shed load of weight twice now (after I've had each child), and I'll do it again once this baby's out - and none of it will involve calorie counting!!
    It is hardly 'essential'!! lol!!

    I'm after losing 14kg in the last year, and without an idea of how many calories my meals contain I wouldn't have been able to do it.
    I haven't been micro-managing and weighing things to the nearest gram, but I did pay attention to what I put in my food, and I did read the calorie contents of everything "ready-made".

    I've got lots more weight to shift, and if restaurants listed their calorie contents, it would most definitely help.
    I've recently been traveling for business reasons and was living off restaurant and hotel food for 2 weeks. Despite making sure to exercise for at least an hour each day (pool and cycling), I still gained a kilo.
    It's hard to make a right choice if you don't know what your choices actually are.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    So this will please those who need it least?

    Fantastisch.

    What you mean need it least ? Who need to know the calorie count more than someone who wants to count the calories ? You said yourself people who dont wanna know wont care.

    Its about giving people the option to make an informed decision.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    LordSmeg wrote: »
    Is it for most people who are not naturally thin. You stated counting calories that you take in is not a healthy way of thinking about food. You think eating less pies and cakes is equivalent to a healthy diet.

    And you think all this must be true because you have lost weight after a pregnancy ? Yeah you're the kind of person we should be taking advice from alright. lol

    What are you on about?

    Each time I get pregnant, I put on 3 or 4 stone - not entirely sure how!!
    Then after about 6mths or a year, maybe even 2 years, I will start eating healthily and exercising regularly - lose about 1-2 pounds a week, and with continued willpower, I lose it all after maybe 6months.

    The weight after pregnancy does not just fall off!
    You have to work really bloody hard to lose it.

    But I don't constantly think about food - I just alter my diet, and my portion sizes.
    I reduce junk food, but don't cut it out.
    It's the exercising that's hard to maintain, but you have to just keep pushing yourself.

    And I am not naturally thin!!
    I am naturally curvy (actually curvy, not a synonym for fat!), and I put on weight very quickly in these curvy areas.
    Even when I lose all the weight, I am not skinny or anything - just normal.

    Really, your posts are making absolutely no sense.
    Why is it that you believe calorie counting to be essential?!!
    It doesn't even promote a healthy lifestyle - with calorie counting, you could use your calories up on unhealthy foods, and just eat 'free foods' for the rest of the day - getting hardly any proper nutrients.
    What I am saying is the proper and healthy way of losing weight and maintaining a healthy diet and lifestyle!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    Shenshen wrote: »
    I'm after losing 14kg in the last year

    Well done on your weight loss!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    I don't buy this complaint from restaurants who change their menu daily. They may change the menu daily but the chef isn't going to invent a new dish every morning. He can just work out the cals based on the ingredients when he does his costings.

    If anything it should cost less for restaurants who regularly change their menus, the ones with static menus will have to update menu boards on the wall for the first time in years, those who change daily would be throwing out their previous menus tomorrow morning anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    What are you on about?

    Each time I get pregnant, I put on 3 or 4 stone - not entirely sure how!!
    Then after about 6mths or a year, maybe even 2 years, I will start eating healthily and exercising regularly - lose about 1-2 pounds a week, and with continued willpower, I lose it all after maybe 6months.

    The weight after pregnancy does not just fall off!
    You have to work really bloody hard to lose it.

    But I don't constantly think about food - I just alter my diet, and my portion sizes.
    I reduce junk food, but don't cut it out.
    It's the exercising that's hard to maintain, but you have to just keep pushing yourself.

    And I am not naturally thin!!
    I am naturally curvy (actually curvy, not a synonym for fat!), and I put on weight very quickly in these curvy areas.
    Even when I lose all the weight, I am not skinny or anything - just normal.

    Really, your posts are making absolutely no sense.
    Why is it that you believe calorie counting to be essential?!!
    It doesn't even promote a healthy lifestyle - with calorie counting, you could use your calories up on unhealthy foods, and just eat 'free foods' for the rest of the day - getting hardly any proper nutrients.
    What I am saying is the proper and healthy way of losing weight and maintaining a healthy diet and lifestyle!

    Its essential in that it enables you to know your limits food wise and not eat so much calories that you make your exercising redundant in regards to weight loss or maintenance. Your talking about "healthy portions". Whats a healthy portion ? Handful ? Plateful ? You need to measure it to know its a healthy portion and counting the calories allows you to do that.

    I'm not saying you can eat 2k calories of ice cream and thats a healthy diet, thats just ridiculous but its essential you keep track of what you are eating and how much of it. You did this by estimating the calories with your portion control thing. Its the exact same principal only you estimated it while counting calories is more precise.

    Your original comment was "you dont need to know how many calories you eat, just eat less pies and cakes and exercise. Its simple" Now your a person who has to work hard to maintain your body, you have to alter your diet and monitor how much of what you eat. Pretty much contradicting your initial statement entirely. lol


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shenshen


    Well done on your weight loss!!

    Thanks! As I said, still got a long way to go. That's why I'd be in favour of the calorie listings... every little bit can help. ;):)


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ Miracle Hissing Junkie


    Seeing the calories will make damn all difference. If people don't know *why* they're fat these numbers will be meaningless to them. Most people know perfectly well why they're fat whatever excuses they may come up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Can you imagine the nit-picking freaks trying to figure out how wrong the restaurant gets it?

    'Garçon' *click* *click*

    'Sir'?

    'This meal is clearly over 450 calories, there was too much dressing on the salad and there was far too much butter in the sauce'

    Yes, Sir, but you see you're a nit picking cunt and these rules were forced upon us - why don't you stay at home and have beans on toast the next time, Sir?

    How dare you speak to me like that you ragamuffin, Penelope, fetch my whip - this boy is going to be thrashed to within an inch of his life.


    etc...


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Seeing the calories will make damn all difference. If people don't know *why* they're fat these numbers will be meaningless to them. Most people know perfectly well why they're fat whatever excuses they may come up.

    But this will remove one of the excuses. I really do get a good giggle when I see a large majority of people talking about their "healthy eating". Many think that eating in a nice place must be healthy...because it's posh! They have no idea how much salt, sugar, cream, butter, oil etc ends up in their food.

    But the reason they are overweight is not the food!!! It's genetic! They pile lies upon lies like you wouldn't believe. Delusional mother****ers the lot of them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 43,274 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    LordSmeg wrote: »
    I'd imagine the people happiest about this are those who are health conscious. I give a shít about my weight and try to go for a healthy option when eating out but the fact is thats its impossible to know whats healthy on a menu without knowing what goes into making it.

    You go to McDonalds and you can see just how bad the burger is for ya then go to a restaurant and have no idea how good the salad is. Whats the point in knowing whats bad for ya when you cant find the stuff thats good for ya ?

    Indeed, I think there was an investigation and some of the "healthy" McDonalds choices didn't have that much less calories as a Big Mac.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Look, some people will find it useful - some people won't.

    There's absolutely no reason why the people who find it useful shoudn't have it just because others don't find it useful.

    It's that simple.

    What's the big deal?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    K-9 wrote: »
    Indeed, I think there was an investigation and some of the "healthy" McDonalds choices didn't have that much less calories as a Big Mac.

    Thats just it, its all in how they market these things. A Warm Chicken Salad under the heading Healthy Option sounds great but depending on how its done it may be nothing but a mangled Chicken Burger with extra lettuce.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    K-9 wrote: »
    Indeed, I think there was an investigation and some of the "healthy" McDonalds choices didn't have that much less calories as a Big Mac.

    +1, and hopefully the next target will be booze. One of my favourite things to laugh about is watching someone order the healthy option because they're watching the weight..... then knock back a couple of glasses of wine with it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    LordSmeg wrote: »
    Its essential in that it enables you to know your limits food wise and not eat so much calories that you make your exercising redundant in regards to weight loss or maintenance. Your talking about "healthy portions". Whats a healthy portion ? Handful ? Plateful ? You need to measure it to know its a healthy portion and counting the calories allows you to do that.

    I'm not saying you can eat 2k calories of ice cream and thats a healthy diet, thats just ridiculous but its essential you keep track of what you are eating and how much of it. You did this by estimating the calories with your portion control thing. Its the exact same principal only you estimated it while counting calories is more precise.

    Your original comment was "you dont need to know how many calories you eat, just eat less pies and cakes and exercise. Its simple" Now your a person who has to work hard to maintain your body, you have to alter your diet and monitor how much of what you eat. Pretty much contradicting your initial statement entirely. lol

    How does that contradict anything???
    You simply alter your diet and exercise.
    It is hard work to keep it up, but you just do if you want to get to your goal.
    It does not occupy your mind, you just get on with it.

    I'd know a lot of people who do this calorie counting thing, and every meal, snack, or drink other than water involves adding and counting.
    Literally every time they put anything to their mouth like - that cannot be a healthy attitude (although it might improve your maths skills!).

    What do you mean how do you know what a healthy portion size is?
    You just know.
    You read up initially if you don't know.
    It's not rocket science.

    And why are you trying to tell me that I estimated calories or whatever you said?
    Eh.. no, no I didn't! :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭SunnyDub1


    I think it's a great idea.

    One thing that annoys me about eating out is not knowing what the hidden calories are in a certain sauce, side order etc...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,414 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Am delighted this is being introduced. If you don't want to know the calorie count in your meal then don't pay any attention it. But that's no reason why those who do care about what's going into their bodies are deprived of the information.

    And it's nothing to do with a "Nanny State", it's an informed decision. Act like an adult.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    K-9 wrote: »
    They should get Weightwatchers to count them!

    if WW were put in charge we wouldn't be allowed steak or butter but we'd have bowls of pure sugar put in front of us instead as "healthy"


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    bluewolf wrote: »
    if WW were put in charge we wouldn't be allowed steak or butter but we'd have bowls of pure sugar put in front of us instead as "healthy"

    50% sugar, 50% salt. :D


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    50% sugar, 50% salt. :D

    look! it's got no fat! :eek:


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    seriously though, i like being able to look up calories for even places like TGIF
    i know it's crap and i don't exactly go very often, but even then i would like to know even a ballpark figure
    i think it could be a good idea


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