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Gurgle · 07-08-2012, 12:18

Ah yes, sorry.
I was thinking tapes as everyday media

Torqay · 07-08-2012, 13:12

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Originally Posted by yoyo

Not to mention recordable optical media does happen to degrade over time, regardless how "good" a brand it is (past expierience with Tayios is that they are overrated),

Nick

To be fair, the longevity has dramatically improved with Blu-Ray discs:

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The recordable media used in red laser disc technology like DVD's and CD's is an organic dye that is very sensitive to light. Blu-ray disks, however, use a combination of silicon and copper which is bonded during the burning process, this alloy is much more resilient than the organic dye. Manufacturers claim a life span from 100 up to 150 years for Blu-ray disks.

Whether there will be drives to read those discs in 150 years is different matter tho.

Lantus · 07-08-2012, 13:42

There are both social and tech reasons for this.

Prior to DVD we had VHS, a bulky and tempremental system that had as many downsides as it did upsides. DVD offerred solutions to many of these problems in offering better reliability, better and consistent quality, smaller storage media, smaller players, EASIER to use!!!

It made sense to upgrade to DVD and as a nation we embraced it. It was a simple and unified choice and to be honest there was no other real alternative (Laser discs aside!)

Blu Ray on the other hand doesn't offer any other benefit except better viewing quality and sound which and very subjective to many people who still consider pirated DVDs od poor quality to make good economic sense just to watch a film the once.

Factor in the high cost of HD tvs and players and possible sound systems and the benefits are reduced. For me I had built up a collection on VHS and which I also did on DVD. But I wasn't going to get caught in the media storage honey trap a thirdtime. Replacing my collection for slightly better vision and sound makes very little economic sense.

Films are not automatically better becasue they are in HD and as we venture into 3D remember it was created as a joke for 70's matinee's. The urge to 3d everything is just appaling and nothing more than a thinly veiled commercial activity.

Lastly, technology is making on line streaming much more accessible. The advent of Netflix which is comparativley cheap allows people to watch virtually as many shows, films and documentarys as they can stomach for very little cost (around a quarter of the cost of one BD disc per month for netflix anyway.) why buy a box and disc to own which we know from experience only neccesitates the purchase of 'storage solutions' to house all this dead weight when we can watch on demand what we want and when.

These days I'm too tired to be bothered by the sound and vision quality. A good story is what we really want and a shiny veneer with a splash of 3d does not make a good film.

Jumboman · 09-08-2012, 00:26

Blu ray may not have taken off because of Sonys incompetence. Anyone remember minidisc ? it should have replaced the cassette tape but Sony never managed to get it into mainstream.

BostonB · 09-08-2012, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Jumboman

Blu ray may not have taken off because of Sonys incompetence. Anyone remember minidisc ? it should have replaced the cassette tape but Sony never managed to get it into mainstream.

I don't think it was incompetence but arrogance. They thought they'd control the market. But the market went meh, ignored MD for CD and MP3. That said MDand HiMD was really cool, more portable than CD and great SQ. Software Sonicstage was brutal though.

Overheal · 09-08-2012, 23:28

BDXL stores up to 128GB.

As a storage media, the cost of getting the burner and getting the discs is too high to justify. Plus there just aren't that many applications for backing up that much ROM data at once.

Cant say I've personally run a blu ray on the hdtv downstairs but the better televisions will accelerate and upscale whatever video they are fed; even netflix which normally caps at 720p looks amazing and smooth on the right television. Theres no reason to upgrade an existing DVD collection or build a new collection on another form of media that as stated above is still the same physical size and shape as the old one. The only way down from here are completely digital storage methods; I wouldn't personally think it odd if instead of Blu Rays we suddenly transitioned to off-the-shelf flash based storage methods, instead of optical.

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07-08-2012, 12:18	#31
Gurgle Closed Account Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,016 Adverts \| Friends	Ah yes, sorry. I was thinking tapes as everyday media

07-08-2012, 13:42	#33
Lantus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 928 Adverts \| Friends	There are both social and tech reasons for this. Prior to DVD we had VHS, a bulky and tempremental system that had as many downsides as it did upsides. DVD offerred solutions to many of these problems in offering better reliability, better and consistent quality, smaller storage media, smaller players, EASIER to use!!! It made sense to upgrade to DVD and as a nation we embraced it. It was a simple and unified choice and to be honest there was no other real alternative (Laser discs aside!) Blu Ray on the other hand doesn't offer any other benefit except better viewing quality and sound which and very subjective to many people who still consider pirated DVDs od poor quality to make good economic sense just to watch a film the once. Factor in the high cost of HD tvs and players and possible sound systems and the benefits are reduced. For me I had built up a collection on VHS and which I also did on DVD. But I wasn't going to get caught in the media storage honey trap a thirdtime. Replacing my collection for slightly better vision and sound makes very little economic sense. Films are not automatically better becasue they are in HD and as we venture into 3D remember it was created as a joke for 70's matinee's. The urge to 3d everything is just appaling and nothing more than a thinly veiled commercial activity. Lastly, technology is making on line streaming much more accessible. The advent of Netflix which is comparativley cheap allows people to watch virtually as many shows, films and documentarys as they can stomach for very little cost (around a quarter of the cost of one BD disc per month for netflix anyway.) why buy a box and disc to own which we know from experience only neccesitates the purchase of 'storage solutions' to house all this dead weight when we can watch on demand what we want and when. These days I'm too tired to be bothered by the sound and vision quality. A good story is what we really want and a shiny veneer with a splash of 3d does not make a good film.

09-08-2012, 00:26	#34
Jumboman Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 413 Adverts \| Friends	Blu ray may not have taken off because of Sonys incompetence. Anyone remember minidisc ? it should have replaced the cassette tape but Sony never managed to get it into mainstream.

09-08-2012, 23:28	#36
Overheal Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 34,570 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Facilitators, Feed Forward Private, Feed Forward Public, FeedForward	BDXL stores up to 128GB. As a storage media, the cost of getting the burner and getting the discs is too high to justify. Plus there just aren't that many applications for backing up that much ROM data at once. Cant say I've personally run a blu ray on the hdtv downstairs but the better televisions will accelerate and upscale whatever video they are fed; even netflix which normally caps at 720p looks amazing and smooth on the right television. Theres no reason to upgrade an existing DVD collection or build a new collection on another form of media that as stated above is still the same physical size and shape as the old one. The only way down from here are completely digital storage methods; I wouldn't personally think it odd if instead of Blu Rays we suddenly transitioned to off-the-shelf flash based storage methods, instead of optical.