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Households must pay for water meters.

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    If true - thats another bill then for every householder in the country - on top of their already household tax.
    Aren't FG and Labour great!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    So what services is this household charge covering?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭AboutTwoFiddy


    Well I'm glad the government aren't organising these meters, chances are by the time they've had a report complied and paid consultants and all their mates they'd end up paying €2-3k for the meters.

    At least this way we can tell them to shag off and to stick their meters up their bottoms. In fairness if we were to meter what comes out of the governments holes and tax them on it we'd be out of austerity pretty pronto.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    So what services is this household charge covering?

    None, it covers your right to pay money because you own a house.

    Marvelous system.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    You might even have to pay a rental fee for the meter - after you have paid for it to be installed?

    Talk about really making you pay again and again!

    Part of the said (long) article:
    Levying the cost of water meters on homeowners will increase the pressure on Phil Hogan, the environment minister, whose job it is to “sell” water charges to the public. Hogan has struggled to convince homeowners to sign up to the new household charge, the precursor to a property tax. Of the estimated 1.72m homes eligible to pay, just 890,000 had signed up by the end of last week.
    Yesterday, Niall Collins, the Fianna Fail environment spokesman, said the government should have been honest with voters before last year’s general election if it intended them to pay for their meters as well as for water. “This amounts to the latest instalment of deceit and deception by the government parties in introducing their suite of back-door charges,” he said.

    Joe Higgins, the Socialist party leader, said the charges for meters would “just further intensify” the opposition to the household and water levies. He said estimates by the Commission on Taxation and the ESRI suggest the two levies could exceed €1,000 a year when fully applied to the average home.

    The department said it would be up to a future water regulator whether to allow homeowners to pay a monthly rental charge instead of an annual fee for their meter. Each household is to be given a “generous” free annual allocation of water, with charges being imposed only once they exceed that allocation.


    By the way, was at the Galway protest yesterday and what was shown on RTE was NOTHING like what really was happening there.

    There was over 2000+ protesters up there and they while loud at the front, all except for a few less than ten, were of peaceful nature - but that didn't stop RTE from clever editing and portraying the whole lot as a bunch of thugs!
    ...When in fact the thugs were inside the building on their political podiums.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭BackScrub


    We'll rue the day we gave thick Enda, fascist Phil, slick Leo and absent Eamonn these jobs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭trooney


    So what services is this household charge covering?

    The service provided by high paid local authority managerial staff :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    Refuse to wash, that will teach them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Owen_S


    This will probably spark the revival of the old water pump.


  • Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭BackScrub


    Owen_S wrote: »
    This will probably spark the revival of the old water pump.

    We've had enough parish pump politics.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭Tom Cruise


    Surely as a consumer i have a right not to partake of their water?
    Who needs a bath anyway when i have the river Boyne nearby.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭AboutTwoFiddy


    Biggins wrote: »
    By the way, was at the Galway protest yesterday and what was shown on RTE was NOTHING like what really was happening there.

    There was over 2000+ protesters up there and they while loud at the front, all except for a few less than ten, were of peaceful nature - but that didn't stop RTE from clever editing and portraying the whole lot as a bunch of thugs!
    ...When in fact the thugs were inside the building on their political podiums.

    But of course, what would you expect Biggins? RTE is controlled by the government, if they step out of line they get their funding cut. Do you really think they're going to p1ss of the government? Not a hope.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    And, of course, the people provided with free housing by the Government will get them free of charge. And all so that we can continue to bankroll high Public Sector wages/"entitlements". What a country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    They can repossess my water meter when i don't pay for it..:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Tom Cruise wrote: »
    Surely as a consumer i have a right not to partake of their water?
    Who needs a bath anyway when i have the river Boyne nearby.

    Have you seen the state of the Boyne lately in parts!


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Biggins wrote: »
    Have you seen the state of the Boyne lately in parts!

    Obviously too many people washing in it already:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    This doesn't make any sense. If they must take in water charges would it not make more sense to hit us with a flat rate and forget about metering, especially when meters aren't even being sourced domestically. Ireland is importing them. We are broke and it is more money leaving the economy.

    Stupid people in the dail


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭AntiRip


    Owen_S wrote: »
    This will probably spark the revival of the old water pump.

    I can see the crowd that sink wells doing quite well out of this!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭AntiRip


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    And, of course, the people provided with free housing by the Government will get them free of charge. What a country.

    Some of which getting a great wage. I know someone who works in the public sector and because they got a house years ago by the government they were exempt from the household tax and me on btea had to pay. (well I didn't pay ;))


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,963 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    Owen_S wrote: »
    This will probably spark the revival of the old water pump.

    Haven't most community pumps been disabled at this stage? I remember many years ago the local council sending out a notice to all homes that the 2 pumps in the village would be rendered unusable.

    This really pissed people off at the time (early to mid 90s) as we suffered frequent water shortages and so people used the pumps to fill up on emergency water.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Jesus these cunts won't be happy until the arse is falling from our trousers. They say the Household Charge is paying for "local services", hmm let me see, we pay for our bins, they're making us pay for water, we pay for the fire brigade and only for the tidy towns committee in my area this place would be in a right mess. Plus we pay extortionate road tax!

    So what the fuck are we paying for? The roads are in shite, there's no library in my area and the local school is falling apart.

    Gombeens the lot of them, they can tell Merkel and Sarkosy to fuck right off!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    Surely, there'll be a way of getting free water...circumventing these meters would surely be possible, after all this is Ireland so the meters won't be foolproof


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Jesus these cunts won't be happy until the arse is falling from our trousers. They say the Household Charge is paying for "local services", hmm let me see, we pay for our bins, they're making us pay for water, we pay for the fire brigade and only for the tidy towns committee in my area this place would be in a right mess. Plus we pay extortionate road tax!

    So what the fuck are we paying for? The roads are in shite, there's no library in my area and the local school is falling apart.

    Gombeens the lot of them, they can tell Merkel and Sarkosy to fuck right off!


    They won't tell them to do anything.
    They will yet again just do what they are told by their German and French masters like good little lapdogs.


    Your bill for the meters per household will range from €300 upward then.
    On TOP of this, you will be charged a possible yearly 'rental' fee for the meter!

    So in total, you will be paying for your meter to be installed, you will be paying your water fee charge (with VAT), you will be paying for the rental fee of the meter (with VAT), you will be paying for your yearly household charge, you will be pay and paying over and over again for household stuff till your pockets are near bled dry of every last cent, by the Irish government.

    Don't forget to thank your nearest FG and Labour representative and supporter for all this generous robbing of your money!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭Sarn


    So they'll charge us for the installation and then have a standing charge. :rolleyes:

    Good luck to them trying to get people to pay for the installation.
    ilovesleep wrote: »
    If they must take in water charges would it not make more sense to hit us with a flat rate and forget about metering, especially when meters aren't even being sourced domestically.

    One problem with that is trying to differentiate between large households and small ones. While it would be cheaper in the short term, depending on usage in the long term it could cost more. The other is that a flat fee will lead to wastage as a lot of us would use as much as possible because we'd be paying for it, which would then lead to shortages.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    As someone who hasn't paid the household charge I won't be paying this in my 2nd property which is connected to the council mains, incidentally I have also not paid the NPPR (Second home scam tax) either. I just avoid paying and let some other fool pay if they want but I am not. Once government tax or private debt collectors cross the threshold onto my private property to collect such monies then there will be big trouble for them. I am not paying to bailout the friends of Fianna Fail who ruined the country.

    I already entombed my mains connection under 2 metres of rebar re-inforced concrete in 2010 after the 1st big freeze to ensure I would have water during the cold snap as the incompetent council workers rose the pipe near the surface when they did it for the shut off valve where it then froze, I sank it down a huge depth and installed my own shut off valve inside my property and then sealed it all over with concrete and rebar, so if Phil Hogan wants to meter me he better have a real good kango or rockbreaker for starters, and a tow truck because for good measure I have parked an old banger right over where the connection used to be!


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,963 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    Sarn wrote: »
    So they'll charge us for the installation and then have a standing charge. :rolleyes:

    Good luck to them trying to get people to pay for the installation.

    Most likely it'll be taken at source.

    As a recent homeowner (March 2011) I just want to say that the government are pissing me off greatly. I won't be voting for FG or Labour next time around and look forward immensely to a politician from either party opening the gate to our front garden.


  • Registered Users Posts: 654 ✭✭✭thebuzz


    Seriously, what if you don't actually pay? They can't force you surely and it's hardly an arrestable offence? They can probably try and cut off your water but is that it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,963 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    thebuzz wrote: »
    Seriously, what if you don't actually pay? They can't force you surely and it's hardly an arrestable offence? They can probably try and cut off your water but is that all.

    Well look at the war of words Phil Hogan has had for the non-payers of the Household Charge. It wouldn't surprise me if they aggressively pursued non-payers of this new tax.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    ...I won't be voting for FG or Labour next time around and look forward immensely to a politician from either party opening the gate to our front garden.

    Lets be real, they won't show their faces around ANY homes for months, if not years to come.
    They will just send out their localised ground party members to do the door to door dirty work, if any needs to be done.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    I think they are hoping that this charge, along with all the other crippling charges they are forcing on hard pressed home owners will force those with multiple properties to start flogging them.

    They will have to be sold at a loss, but this will provide them with enough hard cash/credit to stop the sky falling in on them, and at the same time, will hopefully get the housing and finance sectors moving again.

    Just a thought.


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