Formula 1 2014: General Discussion Thread

ZiabR · 09-01-2014 9:15pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

TBH Force India only went backwards after the mid-season tyre change.

Plus, I'm not expecting much from Ferrari's turbo V6.

Ferrari can't afford to be playing second fiddle this year. They need to hit the ground running. They have two world champions to keep happy and the team need to get back to winning ways.

Myrddin · 09-01-2014 9:22pm

logik wrote: »

Ferrari can't afford to be playing second fiddle this year. They need to hit the ground running. They have two world champions to keep happy and the team need to get back to winning ways.

They really do. I'd fear for Domenicalli's position if this year doesn't yield some real results for them.

Frank Bullitt · 10-01-2014 12:17am

Talk of Kamui back in F1 with Caterham this year, would be great to see him back at it!

Jordan 199 · 10-01-2014 2:26am

logik wrote: »

Sad to hear, RIP.

Indeed. I don't think we will ever see a small engine player like Brian Hart in F1 again.

Here's Rubens Barrichello on the right who finished 3rd at the 1994 Pacific GP driving for Jordan who used Hart engines in 1993 and 1994:

ZiabR · 10-01-2014 10:12am

Myrddin wrote: »

They really do. I'd fear for Domenicalli's position if this year doesn't yield some real results for them.

I actually like Domenicalli. He has time for interviews, comes across well and knows Ferrari have been poor in recent years. With the Wind tunnel sorted and the personnel changes I hope they get back to winning ways and start pushing Red Bull again and he keeps his job. But lets say he was to be fired, Brawn anyone???

In other news, Massa has come out to talk about crashgate again after leaving Ferrari... I really don't like when drivers leave a team and begin to slate their teammates and/or the team they drove for. It's in bad taste, just move on Massa...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/01/09/massa-suspects-alonso-knew-crashgate-plan/

Myrddin · 10-01-2014 10:47am

logik wrote: »

I actually like Domenicalli. He has time for interviews, comes across well and knows Ferrari have been poor in recent years. With the Wind tunnel sorted and the personnel changes I hope they get back to winning ways and start pushing Red Bull again and he keeps his job. But lets say he was to be fired, Brawn anyone???

Same, he seems a decent chap & likeable too. He's had the look of someone with a monkey on his back though lately. Brawn as TP for Ferrari...hmm, interesting.

In other news, Massa has come out to talk about crashgate again after leaving Ferrari... I really don't like when drivers leave a team and begin to slate their teammates and/or the team they drove for. It's in bad taste, just move on Massa...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/01/09/massa-suspects-alonso-knew-crashgate-plan/

I sympathize with Massa over this incident, ultimately an incident of cheating robbed him of a World Championship when you think of it. But to slander Alonso like this in public, no, Felipe, not good.

christy c · 10-01-2014 11:23am

logik wrote: »

In other news, Massa has come out to talk about crashgate again after leaving Ferrari... I really don't like when drivers leave a team and begin to slate their teammates and/or the team they drove for. It's in bad taste, just move on Massa...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/01/09/massa-suspects-alonso-knew-crashgate-plan/

I'd like to see the unedited interview, I reckon he was probably asked about pat Symmonds seen as he will now be working with him and there was a follow up question about Alonso. Maybe Massa should have stayed clear of the question but there's very few of Massa's quotes in the article, easy to twist words.

On a different note do you think he is wrong about Alonso.

Myrddin · 10-01-2014 11:26am

christy c wrote: »

I'd like to see the unedited interview, I reckon he was probably asked about pat Symmonds seen as he will now be working with him and there was a follow up question about Alonso. Maybe Massa should have stayed clear of the question but there's very few of Massa's quotes in the article, easy to twist words.

Good point, & would seem more probable.

On a different note do you think he is wrong about Alonso.

That's always going to be speculation, I can only assume if the investigation found him innocent, there wasn't much to incriminate him.

ZiabR · 10-01-2014 11:26am

christy c wrote: »

On a different note do you think he is wrong about Alonso.

I really don't know. We will never know the full depth of crashgate. You can be sure all the facts were not disclosed. Alonso is an amazing driver, he has proved that in a sub par car over the past few seasons but there is a stubborn and devious side to him for sure. It is hard to know.

Zcott · 10-01-2014 12:05pm

Jenson chooses 22 as his number, the number of the Brawn he won the title in.

ZiabR · 10-01-2014 12:55pm

Zcott wrote: »

Jenson chooses 22 as his number, the number of the Brawn he won the title in.

Interesting.

Do we have a list of all of the numbers taken so far?

_rebelkid · 10-01-2014 1:21pm

logik wrote: »

Interesting.

Do we have a list of all of the numbers taken so far?

From Sky F1's Web Site:

Driver number choices:

Red Bull
Sebastian Vettel: Yet to be announced.
Daniel Ricciardo: 3.

Ferrari
Fernando Alonso: 14.
Kimi Raikkonen: 7.

Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton: Yet to be announced.
Nico Rosberg: 6, 5 or 9.

Lotus
Romain Grosjean: 8, 29 or 11.
Pastor Maldonado: Yet to be announced.

McLaren
Jenson Button: 22.
Kevin Magnussen: 20.

Force India
Sergio Perez: 11.
Nico Hulkenberg: Yet to be announced.

Sauber
Adrian Sutil: Yet to be announced.
Esteban Gutierrez: Yet to be announced.

Toro Rosso
Jean-Eric Vergne: 25, 21 or 27.
Daniil Kvyat: Yet to be announced.

Williams
Felipe Massa: 19.
Valtteri Bottas: 77, 17 or 11.

Marussia
Jules Bianchi: 7, 27 or 77.
Driver still to be confirmed.

Caterham
Driver still to be confirmed.
Driver still to be confirmed.

PopePalpatine · 10-01-2014 1:31pm

logik wrote: »

It's in bad taste, just move on Massa...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/01/09/massa-suspects-alonso-knew-crashgate-plan/

I think Felipe has every right to complain, Crashgate potentially robbed Felipe of a WDC title, one which I doubt he'll ever have a chance of winning again.

10-01-2014 2:12pm

It wouldn't surprise me if Alonso knew but whether he did or not I'm sure when it first came out he wasn't shocked.

ZiabR · 10-01-2014 3:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It wouldn't surprise me if Alonso knew but whether he did or not I'm sure when it first came out he wasn't shocked.

Would agree here.

I know it essentially robbed Massa of a WDC, what I am getting at is, bringing it up again is in bad taste now that he is no longer Alonso's teammate.

christy c · 10-01-2014 4:19pm

logik wrote: »

Would agree here.

I know it essentially robbed Massa of a WDC, what I am getting at is, bringing it up again is in bad taste now that he is no longer Alonso's teammate.

I would refer you to my earlier post, I would think that it was most likely brought up for him as I've never seen Massa come accross as bitter as this

Zcott · 10-01-2014 7:10pm

And here's the full entry list with numbers:

http://www.fia.com/2014-fia-f1-world-championship-entry-list

Jordan 199 · 10-01-2014 7:37pm

I'll be looking out for 19 and 44 this season

Maldonado's number :eek:

Infoanon · 10-01-2014 7:40pm

Happy that Nico Hulkenburg chose #27 - I was concerned that an also ran might have chose that number.

andyman · 10-01-2014 7:49pm

Knew some funny fella would pick 99.

H3llR4iser · 10-01-2014 7:54pm

Zcott wrote: »

And here's the full entry list with numbers:

http://www.fia.com/2014-fia-f1-world-championship-entry-list

I was sure Alonso would not do it, his ego is too immensely overblown for that, but was hoping maybe Raikkonen would pick #27. Goes to Hulkenberg instead, still better than not having it at all.

Frank Bullitt · 10-01-2014 9:44pm

christy c wrote: »

I would refer you to my earlier post, I would think that it was most likely brought up for him as I've never seen Massa come accross as bitter as this

The whole thing should be put to sleep, he is clearly still troubled by it.

If he wants to blame anyone, it should be whoever was in charge of the traffic light system, unscheduled stops in F1 are common so Ferrari should have been ready at that stage.

Even at that, I do remember his performance after the incident being quite appalling, he had a spin at some stage after it I think and was nowhere near the leaders on pace in that Ferrari.

christy c · 10-01-2014 10:12pm

Gintonious wrote: »

The whole thing should be put to sleep, he is clearly still troubled by it.

If he wants to blame anyone, it should be whoever was in charge of the traffic light system, unscheduled stops in F1 are common so Ferrari should have been ready at that stage.

Even at that, I do remember his performance after the incident being quite appalling, he had a spin at some stage after it I think and was nowhere near the leaders on pace in that Ferrari.

This article should be put to sleep, they picked one thing he said (possibly out of context), and made a a story out of it.

Article smells of BS to me