Week 12 Thread

Knex* · 24-11-2014 4:08am

Also, what analyst just called Drew Stanton a young quarterback? :pac:

nerd69 · 24-11-2014 4:10am

Billy86 wrote: »

Tough to say, 2011 has some outrageous talent, particularly on the defensive side of the ball.

Who does each team have to boast of their rookies this year by the way? GB has no instant stars but Haha (1st rd, the #1 guy I wanted in the whole draft... realistically of course) has the makings of a top 5 safety easy once he smooths his game out, Linsley's (5th rd) consistent improvement at centre is nothing short of scary, Adams (2nd rd) has the makings of a pro bowl level receiver and is very smart which is exactly what Rodgers thrives off, Pennel (UDFA) is increasingly looking like a really good 'big body' 3-4 guy... and keep an eye out for Jeff Janis (very Jordy Nelson like) and Abbrederis (sneaky slot guy, on IR) who were picked up in the 6th and 7th rounds at WR.

i meant rookie wide receiver class

Billy86 · 24-11-2014 4:12am

Ah right, well we've got one who looks very good and two solid potentials but no Odells, Watkins', Evans', or Kelvin Benjamins then.

Billy86 · 24-11-2014 4:15am

By the way, desperately need a 14 point turnaround from Dallas.

Still if Beckham keeps playing like he has been I can't be mad at losing... hate losing games like the Colts earlier or dumb stuff like the Packers/Broncos giving up easy points at the end. But this is something else: 8 targets, 8 catches, 125 yards and 2 TDs including probably the best NFL catch of all time and possibly play of the decade ("The Beastmode Run" is all I can think of off my head to rival it).

Billy86 · 24-11-2014 4:18am

lbj666 · 24-11-2014 4:20am

Billy86 wrote: »

Ah right, well we've got one who looks very good and two solid potentials but no Odells, Watkins', Evans', or Kelvin Benjamins then.

Cooks has ousted Colston in the Saints depth chart. Jordan Mathews is almost the no.1 receiver in Philly.

Go as far down as the end of the 2nd round and nearly all of them are making a big contribution.

Billy86 · 24-11-2014 4:25am

lbj666 wrote: »

Cooks has ousted Colston in the Saints depth chart. Jordan Mathews is almost the no.1 receiver in Philly.

Go as far down as the end of the 2nd round and nearly all of them are making a big contribution.

And 4th round guys onwards rarely even get a chance in their rookie year no matter how good they look, so there's plenty of chances we see some of the others impress too in the next year or two... 33 drafted total before even including UDFAs, and WR is typically a position that takes longer to master than other positions. Could be amazing looking back on this bunch in a few years time.

nerd69 · 24-11-2014 4:45am

how was that no foul

edit: oh he did flop i dont like that at all

Knex* · 24-11-2014 4:46am

Poor throw by Eli. No need to hit him so high.

Billy86 · 24-11-2014 4:46am

That flop call was hilarious!

Followed by an Eli special.

Billy86 · 24-11-2014 4:55am

Collinsworth is so good, loved how he spotted that Beckham was open for an 80+ yard TD in real time so quick with "oohh, he had him" (thought he was referring to the Cowboys player having the sack at the time).

paulie21 · 24-11-2014 5:32am

Romo interception time?

Knex* · 24-11-2014 5:33am

paulie21 wrote: »

Romo interception time?

Nah. Giants crappy defense time.

Knex* · 24-11-2014 5:36am

Told ya.

paulie21 · 24-11-2014 5:37am

Offensive line giving Romo some serious time

matthew8 · 24-11-2014 5:38am

That's the first and probably the only time I get excited by pass protection. That was phenomenal.

Knex* · 24-11-2014 5:43am

matthew8 wrote: »

That's the first and probably the only time I get excited by pass protection. That was phenomenal.

Watch the Giants more. Our pass protection gives me palpitations :pac:

Rock Lesnar · 24-11-2014 7:50am

I posted before the draft that i hoped the Eagles would get Beckham cos i taught he would become a star but man i didnt think he'd become a star so quick, his 2nd TD last night was just ridiculous.

kryogen · 24-11-2014 10:57am

OBJ is a beast lads, superstar in the making.

Other then that Giants let me down again, needed to hang on for the win there and I genuinely thought they would get a result there, I picked them before the game and felt confident they would get it together to pick up the win. I think there will be plenty of changes in New York come the end of the season

mikemac1 · 24-11-2014 11:01am

The Bills were at 9 and could have drafted OBJ but instead gave up a 1st rounder to go get Watkins.

In time we'll see how good Watkins can be but it's not looking a great move right now from the GM

nerd69 · 24-11-2014 1:30pm

mikemac1 wrote: »

The Bills were at 9 and could have drafted OBJ but instead gave up a 1st rounder to go get Watkins.

In time we'll see how good Watkins can be but it's not looking a great move right now from the GM

ah thats not fair at all nobody could have thought obj would produce like this straight away and watkins has been lights out as well

skippymac6 · 24-11-2014 1:53pm

nerd69 wrote: »

ah thats not fair at all nobody could have thought obj would produce like this straight away and watkins has been lights out as well

It's not the point that Watkins has been great, they both have. It's just that they gave up so much to get Watkins when this year is by far the best receiving corps a draft has seen in many years.

They could have sat where they were and taken any of Beckham, Cooks or Benjamen but they went all out for Watkins. They might even have had Evans fall in their lap as the Buccs prob would have taken Watkins instead. They took a huge gamble without even having a legit QB and without a 1st round pick this year, it's unlikely they'll have a QB for the future next year either.

nerd69 · 24-11-2014 2:17pm

skippymac6 wrote: »

It's not the point that Watkins has been great, they both have. It's just that they gave up so much to get Watkins when this year is by far the best receiving corps a draft has seen in many years.

They could have sat where they were and taken any of Beckham, Cooks or Benjamen but they went all out for Watkins. They might even have had Evans fall in their lap as the Buccs prob would have taken Watkins instead. They took a huge gamble without even having a legit QB and without a 1st round pick this year, it's unlikely they'll have a QB for the future next year either.

i agree with your greater point (i said on the day of the draft it was a stupid trade) but to say they could have gotten obj at 9 and he's as good is not fair watkins was seen as the best receiver in a good draft class (and he could easily still be the best he's playing damn well with kyle orton throwing him the ball) a lot of the rest looked like they would be good starters but all had there issues so that was the logic in there trade up

i agree that the trade was a bad idea however i dont think you should be giving up 2 first rounders unless you think your getting a franchise qb or you think the piece your getting could get you over the hump with regards a Super Bowl.

Chucky the tree · 24-11-2014 2:25pm

I think this years draft is shaping up to be very similar to last year in terms of WR. I think a guy like Cooper is going to be over-drafted like Watkins was.

nerd69 · 24-11-2014 2:31pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I think this years draft is shaping up to be very similar to last year in terms of WR. I think a guy like Cooper is going to be over-drafted like Watkins was.

how was watkins overrated

he's playing very well considering who he's got throwing to him

Chucky the tree · 24-11-2014 2:58pm

nerd69 wrote: »

how was watkins overrated he's playing very well considering who he's got throwing to him

His ceiling is limited and he was never worth #4 over all pick just on it's own even.

nerd69 · 24-11-2014 3:17pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

His ceiling is limited and he was never worth #4 over all pick just on it's own even.

thats nonsense he could easily end up the best receiver in the greatest wr class of all time of coarse he was worth the number 4 on its own. hindsight has shown that there where other wr options out there but all of them are performing with a far far better qb thrown to them (bar john brown but watkins is having a far better year than him and as a no1)

watkins is having a similar statistical rookie year as calvin johnson and larry fitzgerald (apt comparisons as all 3 had poor qbs) has caught a game winning td and has had multiple hundred yard games

skippymac6 · 24-11-2014 3:26pm

nerd69 wrote: »

i agree with your greater point (i said on the day of the draft it was a stupid trade) but to say they could have gotten obj at 9 and he's as good is not fair watkins was seen as the best receiver in a good draft class (and he could easily still be the best he's playing damn well with kyle orton throwing him the ball) a lot of the rest looked like they would be good starters but all had there issues so that was the logic in there trade up

i agree that the trade was a bad idea however i dont think you should be giving up 2 first rounders unless you think your getting a franchise qb or you think the piece your getting could get you over the hump with regards a Super Bowl.

Exactly. I'm not using hindsight like glasses and ripping them for selecting Watkins, only that they gave up too much for a position that will probably prove to be the strongest in the whole draft class. The GM just seemed to be trying to pull a superstar in the making to enhance his long term job security.

Chucky the tree · 24-11-2014 3:33pm

nerd69 wrote: »

thats nonsense he could easily end up the best receiver in the greatest wr class of all time of coarse he was worth the number 4 on its own. hindsight has shown that there where other wr options out there but all of them are performing with a far far better qb thrown to them (bar john brown but watkins is having a far better year than him and as a no1)

watkins is having a similar statistical rookie year as calvin johnson and larry fitzgerald (apt comparisons as all 3 had poor qbs) has caught a game winning td and has had multiple hundred yard games

He won't end as the best WR. Saying he was worth the number 4 on it's own when he's looking like the 4th or 5th best WR in the class is pretty comical tbh. Mike Evans has performed far better than Watkins and he's arguably had worse QBs throwing to him.

skippymac6 · 24-11-2014 3:43pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He won't end as the best WR. Saying he was worth the number 4 on it's own when he's looking like the 4th or 5th best WR in the class is pretty comical tbh. Mike Evans has performed far better than Watkins and he's arguably had worse QBs throwing to him.

You could go through any amount of years of the draft and pick out guys who didn't deserve to be top 5 picks. Clowney and Robinson who went 1 and 2 this year have easily been more disappointing than Watkins and to a certain extent so has Bortles at 3.

Watkins will end up being a very good player I think but the big issue is that by giving up what they did, they will struggle to be competitive in the decent AFC East over the next few years.

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