RTE1: Creedon's Cities - except Waterford!

Dunmoreroader · 05-07-2012 1:14pm #1

Here we go again. RTE 1 have a new series starting next Monday 9th night featuring "Ireland's cities" which is a four-parter; Cork, Limerick, Galway & Dublin, thus ommiting 1 of our 5 cities. And you know which one don't you.....:rolleyes: Yes, we've been here before haven't we?!
Of course it's an RTE Cork production which might explain it;
This link explains it; http://www.corkfilmcentre.com/newsletter/new-john-creedon-show-searching-for-personal-archi/

jimbojazz · 05-07-2012 2:15pm

And Irelands oldest city for that matter

calvin_zola · 05-07-2012 2:18pm

Wouldn't want that insufferable langer around here anyway

comeraghs · 05-07-2012 2:56pm

Does anybody have an e-mail address for rte, This complete disregard for Waterford really pisses me off!

membersonly · 05-07-2012 3:13pm

I couldn't get through to Joe Duffy today, will try again tomorrow.

Jason Todd · 05-07-2012 3:32pm

I've sent Ray D'Arcy an email highlighting it for his Fix-It Friday programme tomorrow morning, he's usually good for stuff like this. Hopefully he'll give it a mention and might even get on to someone from RTE about it. :mad:

tobey · 05-07-2012 3:40pm

why would he come here, waterford crstel is all we ever had and its gone, what would he talk about? recent shootings, robberies and shops closing down, oh and a new bridge no one uses,

fricatus · 05-07-2012 3:49pm

tobey wrote: »

why would he come here, waterford crstel is all we ever had and its gone, what would he talk about? recent shootings, robberies and shops closing down, oh and a new bridge no one uses,

:rolleyes:

That is all...

(I'm not usually given to posting a smiley as my only response to a post, but I think it's time I made an exception)

Jason Todd · 05-07-2012 3:50pm

tobey wrote: »

why would he come here, waterford crstel is all we ever had and its gone, what would he talk about? recent shootings, robberies and shops closing down, oh and a new bridge no one uses,

Im not sure what waterford crstel is :roll eyes: but how about the Granary, Waterford Crystal Visitors Centre, the Viking Triangle, the Blue Plaque Trail, Spraoi, the Harvest Festival, Bishop's Palace, nightlife, the arts (Forum, Theatre Royal) and the many great Restaurants and Pubs we have?

Or maybe he'd like to talk to the likes of you, a proud Waterfordian and get a real insight in to the place :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::p

comeraghs · 05-07-2012 4:00pm

just a little bit of what Waterford has to offer!

http://www.facebook.com/#!/discoverwaterfordcity

http://www.facebook.com/#!/waterforditsafeeling

http://www.facebook.com/#!/SpraoiWaterford

http://www.facebook.com/#!/redkettletheatreco

http://www.facebook.com/#!/garterlaneartscentre

http://www.facebook.com/#!/WaterfordTreasures

comeraghs · 05-07-2012 4:07pm

info@rte.ie for anyone who wants to join me in complaining!

Nypd · 05-07-2012 4:15pm

tobey wrote: »

why would he come here, waterford crstel is all we ever had and its gone, what would he talk about? recent shootings, robberies and shops closing down, oh and a new bridge no one uses,

Have you not visited the Waterford Crystal visitors centre ?

bradknowell · 05-07-2012 4:32pm

We dont need to be on telly for people to know how awesome we are. ......... :cool:

ex_infantry man · 05-07-2012 4:41pm

waterford famous for crystal,the humble blaa and your forgetting the rasher was also invented here by henry denny

merlante · 05-07-2012 5:51pm

tobey wrote: »

why would he come here, waterford crstel is all we ever had and its gone, what would he talk about? recent shootings, robberies and shops closing down, oh and a new bridge no one uses,

The damaged Waterford mentality in all its glory.

Black Suir · 05-07-2012 11:08pm

Might be something to do with the thinking of the most people in and around the city. When you hear many people from what is Waterford City they often talk about down town and the top of the town etc. Maybe those in RTE are listening to such people and are thinking to themselves, if the people in the area dont consider themselves to be living in a city why should we class the place as a city.

Professey Chin · 05-07-2012 11:10pm

Black Suir wrote: »

Might be something to do with the thinking of the most people in and around the city. When you hear many people from what is Waterford City they often talk about down town and the top of the town etc. Maybe those in RTE are listening to such people and are thinking to themselves, if the people in the area dont consider themselves to be living in a city why should we class the place as a city.

Everywhere refers to the city center as "town" when they live there.
Look at any dublin/cork/galway thread. Its usually questions like "anything happening in town?"

mike65 · 05-07-2012 11:25pm

"town" is a colloquialism, you know for a people who are supposed to be brilliant linguists the Irish sure can be a bit thick (or maybe just sensitive) about such terms.

merlante · 06-07-2012 10:40am

The real problem is when the national media refer to "4 of Ireland's largest cities", as if there were 20, 30 or 40 cities in Ireland, depending on your own personal opinion, then picking 4 on a "you have to draw the line somewhere" line of thinking makes sense. If people realised there were only 5 cities in the country, then they would see how unusual it is to pick 4 and not the full 5. But unfortunately, we live in a country where urban geography is obviously not taught in schools -- even though we can all name the GAA counties -- where people in Dublin aren't interested in urban areas outside of Dublin and where people outside of Dublin are eager to exploit the ignorance that is out there by promoting their own ballygobackwards as a major urban centre. Even on this forum, time and time and time again, we have people arguing about what is and is not a city, or what constitutes a city, when the fact is that an Irish city is a city council administration defined in law, which happens to also be the form of council that administers the 5 largest urban areas in the country. Nothing to do with cathedrals, nothing to do with having a go at Kilkenny, or anything else.

Sadly, it seems to suit pretty much every parochial interest in the country to maintain this state of ignorance, except of course for Waterford, and to some extent Limerick. Perception can unfortunately affect reality, as Limerick and Waterford are passed over for FDI:
Irish Times: 80% of jobs in new foreign firms go to just three cities
and a related letter to the Irish Times from a Waterfordian:
Cities without a voice.

calvin_zola · 06-07-2012 12:10pm

I have no doubt that if RTE where to have gone forward and added a 5th city to the agenda of this show they would have had Kilkenny or Sligo ahead of us.

Saying that we do get a bit of exposure on Nationwide still.

comeraghs · 06-07-2012 2:08pm

The Local Govt act 2001 says that there are 5 cities in Ireland.

Kilkenny is not a city but under the 2001 act it is allowed to use the term city to describe itself as a city because of historical reasons.

Waterford people need to FIGHT harder for the city.

abouttobebanned · 06-07-2012 2:15pm

Or maybe they need to fight more for things that actually matter.

mikemac1 · 06-07-2012 2:19pm

Waterford got recognition from the Governer of Montana a few months ago, was over for a visit
Brian Schweitzer who seems to be a rising star, who knows, might be President one day

Something to do with favourite son Thomas Francis Meagher who was the second governer of Montana

Might be offtopic but Montana is doing well, could be some opportunity for Waterford to twin with them somehow?
Or some link for WIT?

I'm talking jobs and investment, a European base for US companies

I'm not talking junkets for councillors to fly there

Baby4 · 06-07-2012 2:27pm

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Professey Chin · 06-07-2012 2:39pm

Baby4 wrote: »

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Yes

merlante · 06-07-2012 4:53pm

For those who say people shouldn't be getting upset about city status, etc., the response from RTE provides yet another strong counter-argument, in my opinion. If you are under the impression that there are 6 cities, it is more acceptable to pick the largest 4, than if you thought there were 5 cities, when leaving one out would look strange.

The inclusion of Kilkenny for consideration once again muddies the waters in more ways than one, since not only does it add another 'city' into the mix, but it implicitly brings urban centres with populations as low as 24,000 into consideration, leading to arguments for Sligo, Tralee, Carlow, Drogheda, Dundalk, Trim, etc., etc. and again leads to the designation of city looking very arbitrary indeed. This leads very quickly to the "you have to draw the line somewhere" kind of thinking, and, alas, the line is all too often drawn above Waterford. It would therefore be nice if state agencies realised that there is already a legal line that has been drawn for them.

At the end of the day, trifling issues, such as whether Waterford is featured on a programme or not, feed self-fulfilling prophecies regarding future exposure, status and investment, creating or alleviating a range of issues regarding the status of institutions such as the WIT, WRH, the airport and so on. The sad fact is that until such a time as this country is rationally planned according to demographic concerns, we have to be acutely concerned about Waterford's national profile.

7upfree · 06-07-2012 6:34pm

Baby4 wrote: »

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My Dad got that response too. His reply to it:

Thank you Mary.

For your information Kilkenny is not a City - although it calls itself one. It has a borough council - not a City council.

Waterford is the oldest City in Ireland - predating even Dublin. It is extremely disingenuous to use the lame Kilkenny argument to be honest with you.

This is absolutely typical of the ongoing discriminatory treatment of Waterford City by RTE and sections of the broadcast and print media.

Yours in disgust,

membersonly · 06-07-2012 6:46pm

This thread is absolute gold. The email to RTE gets me every time.

mccarthy37 · 07-07-2012 2:45pm

7upfree wrote: »

My Dad got that response too. His reply to it:

Thank you Mary.

For your information Kilkenny is not a City - although it calls itself one. It has a borough council - not a City council.

Waterford is the oldest City in Ireland - predating even Dublin. It is extremely disingenuous to use the lame Kilkenny argument to be honest with you.

This is absolutely typical of the ongoing discriminatory treatment of Waterford City by RTE and sections of the broadcast and print media.

Yours in disgust,

Kilkenny is a city it was granted a city charter by the British. You should write to the BBC at least they would give you an intelligent reply.

Trick of the Tail · 07-07-2012 2:48pm

It was alright, but the charter expired and was not renewed.

So technically Kilkenny is not a city, but under the aforementioned Irish act, it is allowed to call itself 'Kilkenny City' for historic reasons.

A.

7upfree · 07-07-2012 5:02pm

alinton wrote: »

It was alright, but the charter expired and was not renewed.

So technically Kilkenny is not a city, but under the aforementioned Irish act, it is allowed to call itself 'Kilkenny City' for historic reasons.

A.

Well said.

It has a borough Council not a City Council. Nuff said.

Surely by that logic Clonmel, Dungarvan, Youghal, Ennis etc could also call themselves Cities?

RTE1: Creedon's Cities - except Waterford!

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