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Garda Reserve Duties & Powers

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    sharpknife wrote: »
    total waste of time....take forever to recruit & now they dont have enough to pay full time guards. Reserve dont get to do much either

    Look, you're only 3posts into boards and this is your 1st with us here in the GRRforum. I am asking that if you have no interest in the reserves process to not make such flipant comments in our forum. We will assist you no bother if you're interesting in joining the Garda Reserve Recruitment, but if comments like this continue & if you've no interest in joining, I can assure you, they won't be tolerated.

    Many thanks for working with us,
    kerry4sam


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 TheBigLt


    I'm new to this, i read most of the threads so i decided to join. I am currently waiting to be called for interview for the Garda Reserve. I have many close relatives serving as full time gardai. Before applying for the GR i asked some of them is it worth it and what do they do when on duty. My cousin who is an experienced garda said that reserve gardai are basically one of the boys,treat them with respect and they'll do the same. at the end of the day I believe when in a uniform,no matter whether you are full time or part time you'll have back up and thats essentially what reserve gardai are for. More bodies patrolling the streets,unless you have your wits about you you wont be able to tell the difference between full time members or reserves. And on the topic of if you are assaulted while on duty,of course you have authority to arrest the offender,the reason you are in the uniform is to carry out your duties,and that is to enforce the law. Assault of a garda would be under Section 4(3) of the Criminal Law Act 1997 (power of arrest for an ‘arrestable offence’)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    TheBigLt wrote: »
    I'm new to this, i read most of the threads so i decided to join. I am currently waiting to be called for interview for the Garda Reserve. I have many close relatives serving as full time gardai. Before applying for the GR i asked some of them is it worth it and what do they do when on duty. My cousin who is an experienced garda said that reserve gardai are basically one of the boys,treat them with respect and they'll do the same. at the end of the day I believe when in a uniform,no matter whether you are full time or part time you'll have back up and thats essentially what reserve gardai are for. More bodies patrolling the streets,unless you have your wits about you you wont be able to tell the difference between full time members or reserves. And on the topic of if you are assaulted while on duty,of course you have authority to arrest the offender,the reason you are in the uniform is to carry out your duties,and that is to enforce the law. Assault of a garda would be under Section 4(3) of the Criminal Law Act 1997 (power of arrest for an ‘arrestable offence’)

    Good to hear you put an application in, it's a fine long wait. I wouldn't worry about been assaulted this early in your application, sadly it's a very high risk of the job. But I wouldn't let it put you off, the best way is to prevent it happening in the first place. Best of luck with the application !


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭westcoastboy


    Never, look at the UK, where specials after a time, gain IPS independant patrol status...we usually copy everything the UK does, do we not


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭TylerIE


    Never, look at the UK, where specials after a time, gain IPS independant patrol status...we usually copy everything the UK does, do we not

    Ye but seemingly its TOTALLY off the cards at the moment...
    It also took a very long time for the UK to get IPS for their specials.
    Granted the world didnt fall apart, but it has not been without difficulties. Specials in many areas are also required to do additional Continuous Training Over and above their patrol requirement, and some areas require this to be on Routine Patrol etc (Not just events, as events dont necessarily give the full variety of situations you can encounter)...

    With it not even being considered yet, Its a long way away.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭munster4868


    Never, look at the UK, where specials after a time, gain IPS independant patrol status...we usually copy everything the UK does, do we not

    The Specials are around for the last 180 years so ya... GR's will get IPS in let's say 150 years time... That's my reckoning :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭westcoastboy


    i know many reserves who have been in the GS for 4 years plus.. we are eager to learn, it is up to the management of AGS to train us, examine us and let us aid the GS...we are part timers but so are the GAA playes who played on Sunday.. Go on the Dubs..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭ZoneAlarm


    Never, look at the UK, where specials after a time, gain IPS independant patrol status...we usually copy everything the UK does, do we not

    When the Commissioner and the Minister fro Justice went to the Uk to see this model working, and then came back to implement it here in Ireland, what they did was take the Police Specials, and the PCSO, and brake the two of them up to make there own model, that is how we ended up where we are today, tied to the hip of a full time member, if they had taken one of the two in the Uk we all know the GRA would have been up in arms, this way they they keep them happy :), and us unhappy :(, so as they are the stronger team players, they win.

    My Opinion on this only !!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭munster4868


    i know many reserves who have been in the GS for 4 years plus.. we are eager to learn, it is up to the management of AGS to train us, examine us and let us aid the GS...we are part timers but so are the GAA playes who played on Sunday.. Go on the Dubs..

    Don't really understand the point you are trying to make here. You will receive the correct amount of training for the role you are to do, I did and after 4.5 years as a reserve this training has stood to me good. With the shortage of money and the amount of training required to bring you up to a standard for IPS you can understand in the short/medium term why this won't happen... Just because you are a Reserve for x amount of years does not and should not entitle you to IPS. We as volunteers should respect the decisions that AGS make, I for one do. And as I know, IPS will not happen for a long long long time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭ZoneAlarm


    i know many reserves who have been in the GS for 4 years plus.. we are eager to learn, it is up to the management of AGS to train us, examine us and let us aid the GS...we are part timers but so are the GAA playes who played on Sunday.. Go on the Dubs..

    Some people dont want the extra responsibility, they have full time jobs, and maybe could not get time of work for continued training, yes i know they should have thought about this at the time, also some folk dont want the hassle of going to court, prob two or maybe even three times a week.

    I think the GAA and what we do are two totally different kettles of fish, one is a game, the other could be life threatening from various action dont ya think.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭ZoneAlarm


    TylerIE wrote: »
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    Whats that all about ?? or did i miss somit ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭TylerIE


    Don't really understand the point you are trying to make here. You will receive the correct amount of training for the role you are to do, I did and after 4.5 years as a reserve this training has stood to me good. With the shortage of money and the amount of training required to bring you up to a standard for IPS you can understand in the short/medium term why this won't happen... Just because you are a Reserve for x amount of years does not and should not entitle you to IPS. We as volunteers should respect the decisions that AGS make, I for one do. And as I know, IPS will not happen for a long long long time.

    I broadly agree but IPS could be brought in on a shoe string budget for those who want it... Ironically at the moment Reserves are able to arrest for the serious crimes that require paperwork, major knowledge, files, multiple court appearances, statements and experience etc. These are the very crimes that could be messed up by a lack of knowledge.

    However IPS with Public Order, Traffic, Theft / Fraud and Drugs, ie bread & butter stuff would not quite require 2 years training. With a minimal amount of training these are offences which a GR would certainly be safer prosecuting than an CJA Arrestable Offence. Which is more likely to cause hassle or be more difficult? A reserve arresting for assault causing harm and prosecuting same (think of the files) or a reserve arresting for S4 POA?

    A Reserve with IPS would just be an extra body on the street, an extra set of eyes and ears, helping to keep the friendly guard on the beat. If needed the District Car can assist when required.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭ZoneAlarm


    TylerIE wrote: »
    I broadly agree but IPS could be brought in on a shoe string budget for those who want it... Ironically at the moment Reserves are able to arrest for the serious crimes that require paperwork, major knowledge, files, multiple court appearances, statements and experience etc. These are the very crimes that could be messed up by a lack of knowledge.

    However IPS with Public Order, Traffic, Theft / Fraud and Drugs, ie bread & butter stuff would not quite require 2 years training. With a minimal amount of training these are offences which a GR would certainly be safer prosecuting than an CJA Arrestable Offence. Which is more likely to cause hassle or be more difficult? A reserve arresting for assault causing harm and prosecuting same (think of the files) or a reserve arresting for S4 POA?

    A Reserve with IPS would just be an extra body on the street, an extra set of eyes and ears, helping to keep the friendly guard on the beat. If needed the District Car can assist when required.

    Aye totally agree with you, but as i have said before there are "Reserves" that dont want extra powers, wonder what will happen if they do give them, will people just ignore it, not come in anymore in case they get lumbered, or what will happen, all views welcome on this can of worms :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭munster4868


    TylerIE wrote: »
    I broadly agree but IPS could be brought in on a shoe string budget for those who want it... Ironically at the moment Reserves are able to arrest for the serious crimes that require paperwork, major knowledge, files, multiple court appearances, statements and experience etc. These are the very crimes that could be messed up by a lack of knowledge.

    However IPS with Public Order, Traffic, Theft / Fraud and Drugs, ie bread & butter stuff would not quite require 2 years training. With a minimal amount of training these are offences which a GR would certainly be safer prosecuting than an CJA Arrestable Offence. Which is more likely to cause hassle or be more difficult? A reserve arresting for assault causing harm and prosecuting same (think of the files) or a reserve arresting for S4 POA?

    A Reserve with IPS would just be an extra body on the street, an extra set of eyes and ears, helping to keep the friendly guard on the beat. If needed the District Car can assist when required.

    And as the GRA sees it... IPS = 1 less regular employed.
    I hate saying it and I would like IPS but this will not happen in my lifetime... That is not saying the people shouldn't push still for it...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭TylerIE


    ZoneAlarm wrote: »
    Aye totally agree with you, but as i have said before there are "Reserves" that dont want extra powers, wonder what will happen if they do give them, will people just ignore it, not come in anymore in case they get lumbered, or what will happen, all views welcome on this can of worms :D

    Well in the UK (maybe we shouldnt compare) while its expected that people work towards IPS, its not compulsory in many areas. Those that dont achieve it carry on second/third person. Those that do complete the portfolio get IPS.

    It also could mean that those reserves who must be accompanied, go out with reserves who do have IPS.

    IPS Status or not, solo patrol (at night anyway) is not something that should be taken lightly, so the extra body could be useful still.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭TylerIE


    And as the GRA sees it... IPS = 1 less regular employed.
    I hate saying it and I would like IPS but this will not happen in my lifetime... That is not saying the people shouldn't push still for it...

    We agree on the latter, and I have little doubt we have similar views on the wisdom of the GRA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭ZoneAlarm


    TylerIE wrote: »
    Well in the UK (maybe we shouldnt compare) while its expected that people work towards IPS, its not compulsory in many areas. Those that dont achieve it carry on second/third person. Those that do complete the portfolio get IPS.

    It also could mean that those reserves who must be accompanied, go out with reserves who do have IPS.

    IPS Status or not, solo patrol (at night anyway) is not something that should be taken lightly, so the extra body could be useful still.

    Unfortunately it wont work like that, all will be required to attend the classes regardless, as they cant give powers to some and not others, so i would say it will be all if it does happen, as for IPS, yep that will happen but as munster has said we are only paving the way for the next generation of Reserves.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭TylerIE


    ZoneAlarm wrote: »
    Unfortunately it wont work like that, all will be required to attend the classes regardless, as they cant give powers to some and not others, so i would say it will be all if it does happen, as for IPS, yep that will happen but as munster has said we are only paving the way for the next generation of Reserves.

    I was referring to IP being for some and not all.

    Training for general increases in powers should be compulsory, IMHO. Those who joined early knew that we were the first Reserves and that the position would evolve. The role needs to progress, and every volunteer whos providing a professional service is required to upskill regularly (e.g. voluntary ambulance services, rescue services and youth workers with child protection).

    However perhaps the hours could count towards the minimum commitment for those who are short of time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭ZoneAlarm


    TylerIE wrote: »
    I was referring to IP being for some and not all.

    Training for general increases in powers should be compulsory, IMHO. Those who joined early knew that we were the first Reserves and that the position would evolve. The role needs to progress, and every volunteer whos providing a professional service is required to upskill regularly (e.g. voluntary ambulance services, rescue services and youth workers with child protection).

    However perhaps the hours could count towards the minimum commitment for those who are short of time.

    Yep i know "but" IP would be rolled out if ever to all, not just the people that want it, i can imaging Gr saying i dont want that, wonder what HR would think of this, you cant have people on two different tiers, you either have it for all or not for anyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 TheBigLt


    msg11 wrote: »
    Good to hear you put an application in, it's a fine long wait. I wouldn't worry about been assaulted this early in your application, sadly it's a very high risk of the job. But I wouldn't let it put you off, the best way is to prevent it happening in the first place. Best of luck with the application !

    Getting assaulted doesn't bother me,i have been before and with or without GR powers i will continue to use necessary force to defend myself or others. The long wait will be worth it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 TheBigLt


    ZoneAlarm wrote: »
    Yep i know "but" IP would be rolled out if ever to all, not just the people that want it, i can imaging Gr saying i dont want that, wonder what HR would think of this, you cant have people on two different tiers, you either have it for all or not for anyone.

    But is that not like saying the full time members who are not qualified to drive patrol cars should be allowed because their qualified colleagues are allowed drive them. Its like going into a specialist unit,if you want it,do the training or whatever is required to get you in and those who don't want it can stay carrying out their normal duties


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭munster4868


    TheBigLt wrote: »
    I'm new to this, i read most of the threads so i decided to join. I am currently waiting to be called for interview for the Garda Reserve. I have many close relatives serving as full time gardai. Before applying for the GR i asked some of them is it worth it and what do they do when on duty. My cousin who is an experienced garda said that reserve gardai are basically one of the boys,treat them with respect and they'll do the same. at the end of the day I believe when in a uniform,no matter whether you are full time or part time you'll have back up and thats essentially what reserve gardai are for. More bodies patrolling the streets,unless you have your wits about you you wont be able to tell the difference between full time members or reserves. And on the topic of if you are assaulted while on duty,of course you have authority to arrest the offender,the reason you are in the uniform is to carry out your duties,and that is to enforce the law. Assault of a garda would be under Section 4(3) of the Criminal Law Act 1997 (power of arrest for an ‘arrestable offence’)

    Incorrect - Assault of a garda does not come under section 4(3). this is a general act allowing gardai to arrest for a crime that is punishable by way of more than 5 years in prison (an arrestable offence) Impeding or interfering / assaulting falls under a separate act!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭munster4868


    TheBigLt wrote: »
    But is that not like saying the full time members who are not qualified to drive patrol cars should be allowed because their qualified colleagues are allowed drive them. Its like going into a specialist unit,if you want it,do the training or whatever is required to get you in and those who don't want it can stay carrying out their normal duties

    The basic element of policing is patroling (on the beat)... Been able to drive a patrol car is a different kettle of fish. If you police and IP is introduced than you patrol! Some Full Time members don't even have a D/L so it would be hard to allow them to drive. All full time members and reserves have two legs....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 TheBigLt


    The basic element of policing is patroling (on the beat)... Been able to drive a patrol car is a different kettle of fish. If you police and IP is introduced than you patrol! Some Full Time members don't even have a D/L so it would be hard to allow them to drive. All full time members and reserves have two legs....

    Oh i understand that,but i mean yes they have two legs but full time members spend months on patrol while assigned to a station during training although it is not IP but by then they have most of their powers so they have a lot of experience by the time they graduate. Reserves spend a few hours a week at most on foot patrol with a full time member so they would have to spend extra time on patrol to gain the experience necessary for IP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 TheBigLt


    Incorrect - Assault of a garda does not come under section 4(3). this is a general act allowing gardai to arrest for a crime that is punishable by way of more than 5 years in prison (an arrestable offence) Impeding or interfering / assaulting falls under a separate act!

    What act is assault of a garda under?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭munster4868


    TheBigLt wrote: »
    What act is assault of a garda under?

    All that and other relevant information would be freely available on the internet by using google. I don't like posting act's in general!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 TheBigLt


    All that and other relevant information would be freely available on the internet by using google. I don't like posting act's in general!

    Ok i think its under Section 19 of the Criminal Justice Act 1994. Regardless its an arrestable offence so a GR should be well within the law to arrest someone in that case.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭munster4868


    TheBigLt wrote: »
    Ok i think its under Section 19 of the Criminal Justice Act 1994. Regardless its an arrestable offence so a GR should be well within the law to arrest someone in that case.

    I am sure my full time member I would be with would be in there well before the GR acts and act in the appropriate manner! That's what's it all about... Helping each other out


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 780 ✭✭✭munster4868


    TheBigLt wrote: »
    Oh i understand that,but i mean yes they have two legs but full time members spend months on patrol while assigned to a station during training although it is not IP but by then they have most of their powers so they have a lot of experience by the time they graduate. Reserves spend a few hours a week at most on foot patrol with a full time member so they would have to spend extra time on patrol to gain the experience necessary for IP.

    Incorrect- relating to trainee Garda


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭TylerIE


    Incorrect - Assault of a garda does not come under section 4(3). this is a general act allowing gardai to arrest for a crime that is punishable by way of more than 5 years in prison (an arrestable offence) Impeding or interfering / assaulting falls under a separate act!

    Munsters on the ball :)

    Assaulting a Peace Officer is an offence under S19(1) of the Criminal Justice (Public Order Act), 1994. It is made an arrestable offence under S19(2), and its subsequent amendments. Mere obstruction is not an arrestable offence.

    While it seems to be rarely utilised its worth noting that S185 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 also expands upon the definition of Peace Officer to include Ambulance Personnel and members of the Fire Brigade, and also makes it an offence to assault a person providing medical services at a hospital or someone assisting such a person. Medical services includes a number of professions.

    Edit: I see the above was since asked and answered by the asker, but I think its useful to know...


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