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Speculation on Jon & Tyrion's parenthood - non book readers

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  • 13-07-2015 5:52pm
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    senordingdong
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    quad_red wrote: »
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    My 50 cents is that Jon isn't Ned's bastard son - he's his bastard nephew. His sister eloped with the targaryen guy and they had a child. After what happened to Elia and her children (getting butchered by the Mountain), Ned claims the baby is his and never tells his Mrs the truth because her hatred just adds credence to the lie that Jon is his bastard son.

    The witch will resurrect Jon and then try and burn him for his royal blood but da-daaa, he won't burn because he's a Targaryen. So Jon Snow will 'die' and with him his oath to the Night's Watch to serve til death. And Jon Targaryen will rise.)

    There is a very well put together FAN theory online that suggests
    that suggests Jon and Tyrion are of Targaryen blood. It goes on to suggest the three Targaryens, atop three dragons (fire), defeating the walker army(ice).


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    DeVore
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    Targaryen's aren't immune to fire.

    Certainly Mr Bucket-Of-Gold-On-His-Head seemed very susceptible to heat.


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    Lyssa
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Targaryen's aren't immune to fire.

    Certainly Mr Bucket-Of-Gold-On-His-Head seemed very susceptible to heat.

    It's the dragon thing I think... Viserys thought he was the last of the dragons, but he wasn't, it was Daenerys. Maybe in this theory, Jon and Tyrion are 'dragons' too?

    I like this theory, would be interesting at least! :)


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    DarkoT
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    senordingdong wrote: »
    There is a very well put together FAN theory online that suggests
    that suggests Jon and Tyrion are of Targaryen blood. It goes on to suggest the three Targaryens, atop three dragons (fire), defeating the walker army(ice).

    It's just a theory that can't count as a spoiler...


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    Billy86
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Targaryen's aren't immune to fire.

    Certainly Mr Bucket-Of-Gold-On-His-Head seemed very susceptible to heat.

    To be fair, that wasn't fire. That was a bucket of melted gold on his head! :pac:


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    OhHiMark
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    DarkoT wrote: »
    It's just a theory that can't count as a spoiler...

    Stop trying to define what counts as a spoiler. Somebody might not ever have thought of that theory but now it would be in their head, thus not as surprising if it turns out to be true.


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    loyatemu
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    Don't see how Tyrion can be a Targaryen - his birth is well documented. (also speculating about where the story might go is not spoiling - you might as well close the thread if we can't discuss that).


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    senordingdong
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    Don't see how Tyrion can be a Targaryen - his birth is well documented. (also speculating about where the story might go is not spoiling - you might as well close the thread if we can't discuss that).

    Perhaps, but some people are very sensitive about the matter so I think spikey tags is the best course.

    As for
    Tyrion, it was suggested that Mrs. Lannister was with the mad King, either by choice or not, and this is part and parcel of why Tywin hates him so much.

    Gonna go look for the link now...

    Couldn't find the exact one but going another one which is very close, bit with one or two differences.
    These theories are largely based on details that are omitted from the show...

    http://www.cracked.com/article_21478_6-insane-but-convincing-game-thrones-fan-theories.html


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    wp_rathead
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    senordingdong wrote: »
    Perhaps, but some people are very sensitive about the matter so I think spikey tags is the best course.

    As for
    Tyrion, it was suggested that Mrs. Lannister was with the mad King, either by choice or not, and this is part and parcel of why Tywin hates him so much.

    Gonna go look for the link now...

    Couldn't find the exact one but going another one which is very close, bit with one or two differences.
    These theories are largely based on details that are omitted from the show...

    http://www.cracked.com/article_21478_6-insane-but-convincing-game-thrones-fan-theories.html

    If they based on details that are omitted from the show then they probably shouldn't be in Non-book readers labeled thread..

    Edit: apologies didn't notice you had it spoiler tagged, I must've touched it on my phone by mistake ha


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    Billy86
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    wp_rathead wrote: »
    If they based on details that are omitted from the show then they probably shouldn't be in Non-book readers labeled thread..

    Edit: apologies didn't notice you had it spoiler tagged, I must've touched it on my phone by mistake ha
    I guess you have a point, but I saw the video around the end of season 5 and to be fair, the book parts it mention don't really spoil much of anything, it's more just a matter of the show not being able to fit some bits into its 10-hour seasonal time budget. Kind of like how they merged a few characters together so that where there are 2 characters in the the book, they are combined to just be one character in the show.

    Basically there is book stuff in there, but nothing I would consider a spoiler or would warn a non book reader (like me!) to avoid.


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    duploelabs
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    In a rant against tyrion in the show, tywin does say that he can't prove that tyrion isn't his son which means he doubts his lineage


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    GerB40
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    duploelabs wrote: »
    In a rant against tyrion in the show, tywin does say that he can't prove that tyrion isn't his son which means he doubts his lineage

    I thought he said that in anger as if to say "if I could prove you weren't mine you'd be dead".


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    senordingdong
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    GerB40 wrote: »
    I thought he said that in anger as if to say "if I could prove you weren't mine you'd be dead".

    Can be written off as such yes. But also, something was said about
    the mad king, taking bedding rights after Tywin & Joannas wedding. Another part alludes to a botched abortion, which deformed Tyrion and killed Joanna

    Seems there are alot of seemingly insignificant lines throughout the story, that only when pieced together make sense.
    The decision to include some in the show, and not others though
    ..


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    quad_red
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    senordingdong wrote: »
    There is a very well put together FAN theory online that suggests
    that suggests Jon and Tyrion are of Targaryen blood. It goes on to suggest the three Targaryens, atop three dragons (fire), defeating the walker army(ice).
    Tyrion!?!?! Wow. Never considered that. The wee man atop a dragon - epic.

    Can't speak to what the books day but I don't think the series ever pre figured that Tyrion was illegitimate.

    Always presumed that Bran would warg into Drogon and that would control him. But clearly Dany can control him. Sort of.


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    Pepe LeFrits
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Targaryen's aren't immune to fire.

    Certainly Mr Bucket-Of-Gold-On-His-Head seemed very susceptible to heat.
    Also, Jon burnt his hand in season 1 saving Lord Commander Mormont from a zombie.


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    OneOfThem Stumbled
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Targaryen's aren't immune to fire.

    Certainly Mr Bucket-Of-Gold-On-His-Head seemed very susceptible to heat.

    Maybe it's a recessive gene? :pac:


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    senordingdong
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    Indeed. They are only 'half' Targaryen.


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    2ndcoming
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    senordingdong wrote: »
    Indeed. They are only 'half' Targaryen.

    Rhaegar, Viserys and Daenerys are full Targaryen. They're father the Mad King Aerys was married to his sister Rhaella.


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    quad_red
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    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    Also, Jon burnt his hand in season 1 saving Lord Commander Mormont from a zombie.

    Doesn't show that on the show? Is that in the books?



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    senordingdong
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    2ndcoming wrote: »
    Rhaegar, Viserys and Daenerys are full Targaryen. They're father the Mad King Aerys was married to his sister Rhaella.

    I meant John and Tyrion.


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    Witcher
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    quad_red wrote: »
    Doesn't show that on the show? Is that in the books?


    His scream and the fact that his hand is bandaged when he gets his new sword from Mormont is pretty good proof he was burned.


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    duploelabs
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    Targaryens aren't immune to fire, yes they have a higher tolerance as demonstrated by Dany and the bath and the egg on the fire in the first couple of episodes, but the reason why she didn't burn when the funeral pyre was lit for drogo was because the blood magic was still in effect.


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    Thargor
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    senordingdong wrote: »
    Can be written off as such yes. But also, something was said about the mad king, taking bedding rights after Tywin & Joannas wedding. Another part alludes to a botched abortion, which deformed Tyrion and killed Joanna

    Seems there are alot of seemingly insignificant lines throughout the story, that only when pieced together make sense.
    The decision to include some in the show, and not others though
    ..
    What bedding/first night rights by the mad king? what botched abortion killing Tywins wife and deforming Tyrion (turned him into a dwarf?)?

    If its not in the books its just Reddit BS and not a spoiler...

    There is zero foreshadowing of anything about Tyrion being a Targaryan in the books, he's pure Lannister, as smart as Tywin more than any of the other Lannisters.


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    DarkoT
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    Why everyone are covering their posts for spoilers, when all this is just a theory?


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    senordingdong
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    Thargor wrote: »
    What bedding/first night rights by the mad king? what botched abortion killing Tywins wife and deforming Tyrion (turned him into a dwarf?)?

    If its not in the books its just Reddit BS and not a spoiler...

    There is zero foreshadowing of anything about Tyrion being a Targaryan in the books, he's pure Lannister, as smart as Tywin more than any of the other Lannisters.

    http://www.cracked.com/article_21478_6-insane-but-convincing-game-thrones-fan-theories_p5.html


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    Thargor
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    senordingdong wrote: »
    http://www.cracked.com/article_21478_6-insane-but-convincing-game-thrones-fan-theories_p5.html
    Nah thats not enough, Tyrion is the youngest, the Mad King would have fathered Jamie and Cersei if he'd done anything at the bedding.

    Love the theory about Varys being a Merman though :D


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    senordingdong
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    I quite like the Bolton vampire story.


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    bnt
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    The possibility that Jon isn't Ned's son is a speculation I'd read somewhere before - possibly here, but hadn't taken too seriously, and then forgot. However, io9 has a spoilerish piece here that suggests the next series has a flashback to Jon's birth, when we find out who his mother is:
    Ned Stark's sister Lyanna
    . My first response to that was to think that Jon would find he has something in common with the Lannisters. :pac:

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    duploelabs
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    This is an edit of what's appeared in the show of clues to Jon's parentage (not embedding because of spoilers)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xaspBsfgRg


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    Paddy Samurai
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    Yeah its looking like the 3 Dragon Riders will be..

    Jon Snow(Targaryen) ,Tyrion Lannister and Daenerys Targaryen.


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    Dyr
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    That mad king did some amount of milking outside the bucket in fairness.


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