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Sky: "Protesters Storm Irish Parliament"

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Denerick wrote: »
    Lol!

    You are such a deluded child. And it still hasn't gotten through, has it? You are your 50 or so buddies who decided 'to storm' the Dáil are the laughing stock of the nation. We had a good laugh about it last night in the pub.

    now hang on one second there. are you accusing me of having stormed the dail ? that is a false accusation you have made. be careful what you say son.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    zenno wrote: »
    now hang on one second there. are you accusing me of having stormed the dail ? that is a false accusation you have made. be careful what you say son.

    Actually, the phrase is indeterminate - it could be said to refer only to your 'buddies' as "storming the Dáil". And less of the threats, please.

    Still, if you support the idea of trying to break into Leinster House, why react angrily to it being suggested you had done so? Or were you not supporting that idea?

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    Actually, the phrase is indeterminate - it could be said to refer only to your 'buddies' as "storming the Dáil". And less of the threats, please.

    Still, if you support the idea of trying to break into Leinster House, why react angrily to it being suggested you had done so? Or were you not supporting that idea?

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    no comment on that. enjoy tomorrow.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    zenno wrote: »
    now hang on one second there. are you accusing me of having stormed the dail ? that is a false accusation you have made. be careful what you say son.

    Oh, I'm sorry. Naturally I too would be offended if associated with a pack of Pythonesque twats.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Once again Zenno doesnt come out and say anything direct because facts are so passe.


    Do you support violently storming the dail?

    What do you think that will achieve in real terms? (not rhetoric)

    How will any of this help US, you me and the people who are being hit?

    Isnt this just revenge driven, bloodymindedness which is going to cut off our nose to spite out face?


    DeV.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    zenno wrote: »
    plus you can give me all the f ucking infractions you like. as i said before people need to get up and out there and show these b*stards in the dail what is right. come tuesday with enough people hopefully a few thousand they will smash the doors down and stop entry to the dail from gaurds and government for a long enough period of time as to make our point. i'm sick of these FF supporters here with their attitude as if they were running the country and you think you know how the country should be run. if it was all left up to you lot britain would still be running this country.
    Honestly, I couldn't be bothered to argue with you as plenty of other poster are trying and don't seem to be getting anywhere. But his sentence caught my eye.

    Are you really so ignorant to think that the garda are going to allow a few thousand people to storm the dáil? Don't you realise that in such a situation the riot police would be called in to deal with them? Or maybe you are the type of person who doesn't care how many people are arrested or how many protestors skulls are opened by a charging garda's baton as long as you get to make your "point".

    Which is what exactly ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Or maybe you are the type of person who doesn't care how many people are arrested or how many protestors skulls are opened by a charging garda's baton as long as you get to make your "point".

    On the contrary, protesters are always keen to get their skulls cracked by the police so that they can then put the clip on YouTube and come to message boards like this and moan about how they were abused by our "anti-democratic" government. A part of what I call the "protester mindset" is going out of your way to get into trouble, so that you can claim you were abused.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    zenno wrote: »
    how can you discuss anything of importance on this when you are attacked by "mods" that are hard encoded into the FF clan. this f ucking site is run by FF imo.
    I'm just quoting this so that people can have a giggle. No need for anyone to comment on it as let's not drive the thread off-topic, just quoting it for posterity. With that addition, I believe I've now been accused of being everything but a Paraguayan rebel fellow traveller, which will probably happen any day now. Other Polmods may also have completed their collection of virtual labels.

    Someone please start a thread on Paraguay or Bolivia. Pretend there's something interesting going on in the Gran Chaco. I'll play along.


    Oh, with moderator hat on, I've deleted the five most recent posts in this thread as they appear to be little more than playground dares. Unfortunately, as I've pointed out on several occasions, the Politics forum isn't actually a playground so they add nothing useful to the discussion and don't belong here. It's still a discussion forum:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Mute wrote: »
    I might be dead but its worth dying to help people like you stand up and take no more sh!t off this establishment!

    Ifyou dont I will haunt you:rolleyes:
    Is this really how little you understand about the establishment? Don't you understand that markets see political instability in a bad light. It damages Irelands international image as a stable country.

    That means it is harder to attract jobs here and TNCs that are already here may pack up and leave taking their jobs with them. It doesn't take a genius (you are covered here so,) to see that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Mute


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Is this really how little you understand about the establishment? Don't you understand that markets see political instability in a bad light. It damages Irelands international image as a stable country.

    That means it is harder to attract jobs here and TNCs that are already here may pack up and leave taking their jobs with them. It doesn't take a genius (you are covered here so,) to see that.

    F*ck the markets. They have us in this mess.

    Some broker in America convinces a homless person to get a mortgage.

    Broker gets paid bonus for loan.

    Homeles person gets to live in big house for at least a year.

    Banks realise they lent money to someone who cant pay!

    And your worried about what they will think of our behaviour tomorrow?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Mute wrote: »
    F*ck the markets. They have us in this mess.

    Some broker in America convinces a homless person to get a mortgage.

    Broker gets paid bonus for loan.

    Homeles person gets to live in big house for at least a year.

    Banks realise they lent money to someone who cant pay!

    And your worried about what they will think of our behaviour tomorrow?
    I'm dumbfounded.

    1.) You seem to think that that has any relevence to how the markets will see Ireland if protests continue. You seem to be claiming "it's not my fault, so why should I pay". Which is a rather childish position in my opinion.

    2.) The property is not Americas fault, sure they caused the boom but it was our property bubble that burst. You can blaim the bankers untill you are blue in the face but in the end of the day bankers did not force people to take out huge motrgages.

    3.) This protest will do nothing to change government policy. We are allready so far stuck down the Nama route that any attempt to reverse this will cost us more money in the long term.

    4.) People will get hurt if they attempt to enter the Dáil, the Garda are not the shower of gobsh!ts we take them for. They can be efficient and effective at stamping down civil unrest. If that means cracking a few skulls or even calling the riot police then fine by them.

    5.) These protests seem to be organised by people with other motives such as trade unions, Unite, ICTU. And political parties such as socialist workers party. These people care nothing for democracy.

    6.) Leinster house is the symbol of our democracy. Anyone trying to break into it is disrespecting democracy and the rule of law. And i don't tend to like or associate with such people.

    7.) In the last attempt to break into the Dáil, Senator David Norris volunteered to try and go out to calm the mob. Thankfully they wouldn't let him. Could you imagine the publicity if he got injured?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    ... In the last attempt to break into the Dáil, Senator David Norris volunteered to try and go out to calm the mob. Thankfully they wouldn't let him. Could you imagine the publicity if he got injured?

    It would be great for his presidential ambitions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    It would be great for his presidential ambitions.
    True but the guys a national treasure. We can't have him getting his hands dirty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Mute


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I'm dumbfounded.

    1.) You seem to think that that has any relevence to how the markets will see Ireland if protests continue. You seem to be claiming "it's not my fault, so why should I pay". Which is a rather childish position in my opinion.

    2.) The property is not Americas fault, sure they caused the boom but it was our property bubble that burst. You can blaim the bankers untill you are blue in the face but in the end of the day bankers did not force people to take out huge motrgages.

    3.) This protest will do nothing to change government policy. We are allready so far stuck down the Nama route that any attempt to reverse this will cost us more money in the long term.

    4.) People will get hurt if they attempt to enter the Dáil, the Garda are not the shower of gobsh!ts we take them for. They can be efficient and effective at stamping down civil unrest. If that means cracking a few skulls or even calling the riot police then fine by them.

    5.) These protests seem to be organised by people with other motives such as trade unions, Unite, ICTU. And political parties such as socialist workers party. These people care nothing for democracy.

    6.) Leinster house is the symbol of our democracy. Anyone trying to break into it is disrespecting democracy and the rule of law. And i don't tend to like or associate with such people.

    7.) In the last attempt to break into the Dáil, Senator David Norris volunteered to try and go out to calm the mob. Thankfully they wouldn't let him. Could you imagine the publicity if he got injured?


    Point No.1 Im not a child I'm a middle aged worker NONE OF IT IS MY FAULT!

    Point No.2 Are you kidding? The banks were forcing mortgages and anu other kind of loan downs peoples throat!

    Point No.3 If we cant influence Government policy then we live in a Dictaorship. Is that what you want/

    Point No.4 Garda are just as under resourced as every other public service!! And did you not listen to the GRA conference recently. Might be pushing an open door/gate:)

    Point 5. Your point here displays your ignorance! How could you link the ICTU with any of the other organisations that genuinely care about this nation!

    Point 6. Leinster house is the symbol of our democracy? Come on be serious!

    Point 7. Irrelevant


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Mute wrote: »
    Point No.1 Im not a child I'm a middle aged worker NONE OF IT IS MY FAULT
    Maybe not you perosnally unless you have taken out a large percentage mortgage or loan. But the blame rests on those who did.
    Mute wrote: »
    Point No.2 Are you kidding? The banks were forcing mortgages and anu other kind of loan downs peoples throat!
    No they didn't. They offered you a mortgage much like a used car salesman would offer you a new car. You allways had the choice to accept the mortgage as it was or ask for a smaller one.
    Mute wrote: »
    Point No.3 If we cant influence Government policy then we live in a Dictaorship. Is that what you want/
    A loud minority can not and should not influence government policy, in a democracy majority not minority rules. Also this is a republic, not a democracy.
    Mute wrote: »
    Point No.4 Garda are just as under resourced as every other public service!! And did you not listen to the GRA conference recently. Might be pushing an open door/gate:)
    The garda would never do that. They may be under resouced and and mad at the government but they are duty bound to uphold the rule of law. For the the garda duty comes before personal wealth. Maybe the public service could learn a lesson from them.
    Mute wrote: »
    Point 5. Your point here displays your ignorance! How could you link the ICTU with any of the other organisations that genuinely care about this nation!
    They ICTU is an umbrella organisation acting as a representitive of all unions in the country at social partnership meetings. Also I think this is the first time I have been called ignorant by a socialist. Oh well.
    Mute wrote: »
    Point 6. Leinster house is the symbol of our democracy? Come on be serious!
    Leinster house is the seat of the Irish parliment and the forum in which our elected representitives discuss the policy of this country. You attitude shows me how little you actually care for the rule of law. How sad.
    Mute wrote: »
    Point 7. Irrelevant
    But do you agree or disagree?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Mute


    I agree that David Norris would love it up the Arus:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Mute wrote: »
    I agree that David Norris would love it up the Arus:)
    How about responding to the rest of my post? And leave the horrid jokes at home.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Mute


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    How about responding to the rest of my post? And leave the horrid jokes at home.

    I did respond to your points but it requires more discussion and debate.

    Judging by your posts I genuinley think that you are a good citizen and probally a sound individual but somewhat misinformed and misguided.

    I will be at the demonstration tomorrow and would be glad to further this discussion with you.

    Its not my horrid joke its Joe Duffys!


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Mute wrote: »
    I agree that David Norris would love it up the Arus:)

    Infracted and banned for 24 hours.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Mute wrote: »
    I will be at the demonstration tomorrow and would be glad to further this discussion with you.
    Alright, I look forword to talking to you tomorrow. And don't forget our dare!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    I think alot of people here are living in flatland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KT4M7kiSw


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    zenno wrote: »
    I think alot of people here are living in flatland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KT4M7kiSw

    I suspect that a lot of those that will be there today live in Flatland.

    Anyway, since zenno can't provide any answers, perhaps we can turn to Mr Richard Boyd Barret:
    Mr O’Toole expected the crowd to number several thousand and to be much larger than last week. Both Mr O’Toole and one of the principal speakers at last week’s protest, People Before Profit councillor Richard Boyd Barrett, said yesterday that the events of last week had been blown out of proportion by the media and politicians from the larger parties.

    They also said gardaí overreacted by drawing their batons when the crowd surged forward.

    Mr Boyd Barrett said: “It was not in anyway orchestrated by any of the groups. Some people spotted the gate open and said that we would go for it.”

    Citing student protests, he said occupations of that kind were a legitimate form of protest as long as there was no violence.

    He added that letting people in the gates would “not have been the end of the world”.

    “What were the consequences of people getting in?

    People would have sat down and made noise. It would not have been a threat,” contended Mr Boyd Barrett. Unlike last week, which involved a march through the city centre, this evening’s event will take place on Kildare Street.

    Or perhaps not.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    I've given zenno a two week holiday for insulting his fellow forum members for a third time in three days. As you all know, reasonable politeness is expected regardless of opposing views. Insulting fellow contributors repeatedly isn't the sort of thing the forum wants or needs. I don't care what someone's views are as long as they're put in a non-idiotic non-insulting way. If someone demonstrably thinks the forum charter and reasonable politeness are beneath them, they're adding nothing to and taking something from the forum. Not here, you all deserve better and happily, most of you give better.

    /mod


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