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Leinster's worst SH import

  • 18-12-2013 12:38pm
    #1
    Barzipan
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭


    Is it unfair to add Lote Tuqiri to the following list?

    Owen Finnegan
    Eddie Hekenui
    CJ van der Linde
    Harry Vermaas
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  • #2
    Sangre
    Registered Users Posts: 12,152 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Clint Newland.


  • #3
    former legend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭former legend


    Yes, very unfair.

    Also, CJ van der Linde has no business on that list either.


  • #4
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Yeah defo unfair. I also remember CJ being decent for us, especially carrying.

    Still waiting for the Clint Newland legends tshirt.


  • #5
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    I think for something like this you need to weigh up the initial hype/expectation of the player as well as how he performed in the end . Save Tokula for Munster turned out to be a waste but he only played two matches anyway.

    Tuqiri didn't shine with Leinster but he was only going to be a short term cover. Plus he's 34 and injury prone.


  • #6
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    It's hard to make such a list. You could easilly put the likes of Galarza and Newland on it, but they were always long shots.

    Knoop was another of that type of import.


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  • #7
    GavMan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭GavMan


    Juan Gomez is up there too


  • #8
    former legend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭former legend


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I think for something like this you need to weigh up the initial hype/expectation of the player as well as how he performed in the end.

    Nail/head. For that reason, Owen Finegan takes the prize for me.


  • #9
    jamiedav2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭jamiedav2011


    Owen Finnegan the worst of the lot for me.

    As someone mentioned, the expectation needs to be factored in.


  • #10
    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,745 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    It's hard to make such a list. You could easilly put the likes of Galarza and Newland on it, but they were always long shots.

    Knoop was another of that type of import.

    Galarza and Newland were both the first to spring to mind for me, but yeah I suppose they were long shots....Sykes would have been similar too I suppose.


  • #11
    PlayerTrader13
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 603 ✭✭✭PlayerTrader13


    Ed O'Donohue?


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  • #12
    Mahatma Geansai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭Mahatma Geansai


    Steven Sykes surely? He came with huge expectations, and his only significant contribution was accusations of racism.


  • #13
    jacothelad
    Registered Users Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Ella.


  • #14
    desertcircus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    Mahatma Geansai wrote: »
    Steven Sykes surely? He came with huge expectations, and his only significant contribution was accusations of racism.

    Leaving aside the accusation of racial abuse (given that, as far as I remember, Mujati accepted that it was a scrum call taken up the wrong way), Sykes was just desperately unlucky. He had an indifferent start after coming straight from the end of the South African season (what a shock for a Leinster tight five signing), then got badly injured just as his girlfriend realised she was pregnant and thousands of miles from their family and friends. If things had worked out a little differently - if she'd gotten pregnant a year later - we could be talking about Sykes' pivotal role in securing another HC after coming back from injury fully fit and ready to go. As it turned out, it didn't go that way, but it seems unfair to ridicule him.


  • #15
    jamiedav2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭jamiedav2011


    desertcircus wrote: »
    Leaving aside the accusation of racial abuse (given that, as far as I remember, Mujati accepted that it was a scrum call taken up the wrong way), Sykes was just desperately unlucky. He had an indifferent start after coming straight from the end of the South African season (what a shock for a Leinster tight five signing), then got badly injured just as his girlfriend realised she was pregnant and thousands of miles from their family and friends. If things had worked out a little differently - if she'd gotten pregnant a year later - we could be talking about Sykes' pivotal role in securing another HC after coming back from injury fully fit and ready to go. As it turned out, it didn't go that way, but it seems unfair to ridicule him.

    Yep, would be unfair to tar Sykes with that racist controversy.


  • #16
    eyeball kid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭eyeball kid


    Seem to remember some Rocky guy a couple of years back. Only stuck around a year, didn't do much.


  • #17
    FrannoFan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    Eddie Hekenui was a legend!!!


  • #18
    FrannoFan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    the couple of Argentinians were pretty disappointing (prop and second row)


  • #19
    emmet02
    Registered Users Posts: 24,816 ✭✭✭✭emmet02


    poor Berquist was another failure, though injury inflicted failure as opposed to poor rugby.

    Galarza, Sykes definitely abject failures too in recent times.


  • #20
    former legend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭former legend


    FrannoFan wrote: »
    the couple of Argentinians were pretty disappointing (prop and second row)

    Gomez and Galarza.

    Again, think they were signed as squad cover rather than big-name additions. Galarza featured for Argentina in this years Quad-Nations, no idea what became of Gomez.


  • #21
    FrannoFan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    Gomez was the answer to Irelands Prop problems. Hook has been going on for years about Argentinian props and how we needed to get one in on residency and thats who showed up. He ended up subbing in the AIL. Awful player.


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  • #22
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 16,981 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    I could have sworn I saw Juan Gomez at some point later on though... did he end up playing for the pumas? I remember seeing him come on as a sub in either a high enough level club game or an international....


  • #23
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,175 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    I could have sworn I saw Juan Gomez at some point later on though... did he end up playing for the pumas? I remember seeing him come on as a sub in either a high enough level club game or an international....

    Gomez played for the Pumas before he even arrived. Bit of a lazy git and is back in Argentina now. He had some talent though supposedly.

    Galarza, the lock, started games in this year's RC and did alright.


  • #24
    Neil3030
    Registered Users Posts: 16,981 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Buer wrote: »
    Gomez played for the Pumas before he even arrived. Bit of a lazy git and is back in Argentina now. He had some talent though supposedly.

    Galarza, the lock, started games in this year's RC and did alright.

    yeah this was definitely some years after his time at Leinster... maybe last year's AIs?


  • #25
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 12,956 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    eyeball kid wrote: »
    Seem to remember some Rocky guy a couple of years back. Only stuck around a year, didn't do much.

    Maybe you are thinking of Rocky Elsom, the Aussie blindside flanker who played the one season for Leinster.

    Apart from his 11 MOTM awards in the Magners League from 13 starts, 3 MOTM awards in the Heineken Cup winning 2008/9 season including one in the final itself, his European Player of the Year 2008/09 award and Magners League player of the season, we can all agree that he was a flop ;)


  • #26
    gaius c
    Registered Users Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭gaius c


    PlayerTrader13 wrote: »
    Ed O'Donohue?

    Could add Trevor Hogan too if big Ed counts.
    Keogh wasn't much cop either.


  • #27
    jamiedav2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭jamiedav2011


    gaius c wrote: »
    Could add Trevor Hogan too if big Ed counts.
    Keogh wasn't much cop either.

    Ah stop will you. Both Hogan, and particularly Keogh are firstly from Munster (EOD is an Aussie), and both were actually good players, Keogh in particular.


  • #28
    gaius c
    Registered Users Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭gaius c


    Ah. Forgot about the SH bit in the thread title.

    However, Keogh filled a role not unlike that of Niall Ronan's for Munster.
    Not good enough for his own province and decent enough at lower level but seriously out of place at higher level.


  • #29
    jamiedav2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭jamiedav2011


    gaius c wrote: »
    Ah. Forgot about the SH bit in the thread title.

    However, Keogh filled a role not unlike that of Niall Ronan's for Munster.
    Not good enough for his own province and decent enough at lower level but seriously out of place at higher level.

    Neither of those players are/were 'seriously' out of place at a higher level.
    Little underpowered maybe, but both solid provincial players who don't deserve to be near this thread. Keogh in particular was really good for Leinster in the league.

    To compare guys like Galarza, Gomez, Finnegan, Hekenui etc to solid HEC level pros like Hogan and Keogh is disingenuous.


  • #30
    gaius c
    Registered Users Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭gaius c


    A solid HEC level pro is somebody like Shane Jennings. Keogh and Hogan were solid Rabo level.

    Maybe a teeny bit cheeky adding Ed o'D too considering that he played for Ireland and came from Ulster.


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  • #31
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Ed O'Donoghue is on the list because he was awful for Leinster and disappeared after a promising spell at Ulster had us believing he was going to have a good future with us.

    Steven Keogh was a great signing for Leinster on the other hand, held our back row together in the ML after SOB broke his leg. Hogan not so much as he had to retire through injury.


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