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Interesting Article about Android

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    #32
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Atomic Pineapple wrote: »
    The premium aspect is what keeps people on iOS or what makes them switch, teenagers grow up wanting an iPhone for no other reason than they can show their friends they have an iPhone, this is evident throughout most age groups too, having an iPhone is a vanity thing for a large amount of the iOS user base.

    Even if someone gets an Android as their first smartphone they will still aim to get an iPhone when they can so they can be part of that prestige, Apple have done an amazing job in making sure this happens and that they control that premium market.

    When Apple release their budget range it will be interesting to see if that falters.
    anncoates wrote: »
    As somebody who is on my 3rd high end Android phone, I'm intrigued to hear that deep down I'm subconsciously just killing time until I get an iPhone?

    Top level Android devices have as much prestige as iOS. Unfortunately the Android brand is being harmed by cheap devices. I think that the high end stuff will keep its cachet. And over time even cheap devices will be good. Better at least.


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    #33
    Ivefoundgod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Top level Android devices have as much prestige as iOS. Unfortunately the Android brand is being harmed by cheap devices. I think that the high end stuff will keep its cachet. And over time even cheap devices will be good. Better at least.

    I'm not sure if the top level Androids do have the same image/prestige as iPhones. I'd argue that for most, the iPhone is the smartphone to have, regardless of specs or anything else. It's the genius of Apples marketing.


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    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    anncoates wrote: »
    As somebody who is on my 3rd high end Android phone, I'm intrigued to hear that deep down I'm subconsciously just killing time until I get an iPhone?

    I'm on my 5th, obviously my comment was not specific to everyone but a broader thought on why more people switch to iOS rather than vice versa.


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    #35
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Google have stated that key lime pie will improve the android experience for entry and mid level devices.


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    tommy2bad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭tommy2bad


    Ivefoundgod wrote: »
    Those are worldwide figures, the original article is US market only

    Indeed and we may be talking about the influence of bill pay versus prepay as much as os loyalty. If on a contract your inclined to go for the highest value phone. I think prepay accounts for less than 25% of phones in the US. I wonder what the breakdown of OS's is here on billpay. I see a lot of iPhones with contract customers, not so much with the ready2go crowd.

    Worldwide prepay is far more common so a glut of cheaper phones distort the balance.


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    TechnoMad
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭TechnoMad


    I was out with some friends last night, all senior technical engineers or management. Three years ago all eight of us had iPhones, now there is only one iPhone5 user among us and his company supplies him with it and won't consider any other option, (plus he develops apps for the iPhone so needs to be able to debug). We all feel sorry for him and he gets a huge amount of slagging from us, such as the tiny screen, the rubbish camera, the apps that you have to pay for in the Apple Store are free in the Android store and lots of other things.
    there were several Sony Xperia S's, two Samsung S4's with the flashy cases and one Nokia Windows Phone. All of these phones are super sweet.
    Would any of us go back to IOS? Maybe if the phones were equal to or better than our Android and Windows phones. A few of us are seriously thinking of trying out some Nokia Windows phones.
    I have three iPhone docking stations and several different older iPhones/ iPods/Nanos and it also annoys me that only some will work with certain docking stations, others need a different docking station, even though they all have the same connector.
    My kids love playing Angry Birds on my old iPhones, that's the only time they get switched on. My home AV amp streams music wirelessly from my Xperia, so no need for an Android docking station for me, as does my car stereo, including the handsfree phone features.
    IOS will improve in leaps and bounds over the next few years with features we haven't even thought about, but I think Google will improve Android just as well.
    America is a very, very conservative country in many ways and really quite backward from a technological point of view, (except for the likes of California). Apple got into the mainstream American home first and it will be very hard to shift that, but it will happen, albeit very slowly. Ireland is much more technologically advanced and much more willing to try new tech, just like the rest of Europe and Asia.
    I'm surprised that people here have posted that they look down on Android users, because techies here generally have a slightly condescending attitude to Apple users, which we image to be the old fogies. Younger people have more sense than to buy an iPhone.
    Please don't think that I am anti-Apple, I have so much admiration for their products and what they have achieved, bringing mobile tech to the mass market at an affordable, but still expensive price.
    As regards Tablet devices: most people in Ireland seem to realise that Android is the way to go, for the huge range, connectability, value, and ease-of-use. You can buy a decent Android tablet for a third of the price of an iPad, and if you spend €400 or so on a tablet it will knock the socks off an iPad. I don't blame older non-technical people for going into a shop and buying an iPad or iphone, but younger people have no excuse!


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    RainyDay
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    I wouldn't go putting all my eggs in the Android basket, given that Samsung are working on Tizen, an alternative open-source OS to get them out of Google's grasp.

    http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2013/08/08/samsung_wants_tizen_operating_system_on_all_kinds_of_devices


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    wotzgoingon
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    RainyDay wrote: »
    I wouldn't go putting all my eggs in the Android basket, given that Samsung are working on Tizen, an alternative open-source OS to get them out of Google's grasp.

    http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2013/08/08/samsung_wants_tizen_operating_system_on_all_kinds_of_devices

    I don't think Tizen is much of a threat to Android. I reckon Ubuntu touch or what ever it's called is more of a threat.


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    Blazer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    tommy2bad wrote: »
    and people who are less than proficient with tech generally.

    I wish people would stop throwing this out..just because someone is not techy doesn't mean they can't use android :rolleyes:
    I'm extremely technical and work in a major pc company and I can appreciate the simplicity of the ios system. Sure i wish it had drop/drop, bluetooth sharing etc but a lot of this will come I'm sure later on with ios8 etc. IOS7 is a step in the right direction.
    For the last 3 years I've been on iphone..last year switched over to the S3 , hated it and went back to iphone 5.
    It's a fantastic phone and sure it's lacking specs wise against the HTC One I'm now using and the S4..but you know how many of those features I actually use? I'd say maybe 2 or 3.
    I like dragging and dropping music and I must have tried about 5 roms now on the One, The One is a fantastic phone and Android has really improved in the past year and that's good as it's forcing Apple to open up ios some little bit.

    A lot of the Android/Apple fanboys would love to see the end of each other but in fact these people are complete morons.
    Competition is extremely healthy and drives innovation across industries...if Apple or Samsung weren't around they'd just sit on their ass and stagnate much like Nokia did for years. I definitely don't want this to happen.


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    Ivefoundgod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Ivefoundgod


    TechnoMad wrote: »
    I was out with some friends last night, all senior technical engineers or management. Three years ago all eight of us had iPhones, now there is only one iPhone5 user among us and his company supplies him with it and won't consider any other option, (plus he develops apps for the iPhone so needs to be able to debug). We all feel sorry for him and he gets a huge amount of slagging from us, such as the tiny screen, the rubbish camera, the apps that you have to pay for in the Apple Store are free in the Android store and lots of other things.

    I'm sorry but why would anyone whose not a teenager slag someone over their phone???
    I'm surprised that people here have posted that they look down on Android users, because techies here generally have a slightly condescending attitude to Apple users, which we image to be the old fogies. Younger people have more sense than to buy an iPhone.

    I don't think anyone here was saying that, more that it seemed a common perception amongst what you describe as non techies. I have to say we must socialise in different circles because almost everyone I know from 20-30 wants or has an iPhone.


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    Nolimits
    Registered Users Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Nolimits


    RainyDay wrote: »
    I wouldn't go putting all my eggs in the Android basket, given that Samsung are working on Tizen, an alternative open-source OS to get them out of Google's grasp.

    http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2013/08/08/samsung_wants_tizen_operating_system_on_all_kinds_of_devices

    I'd say the tizen phones will be used in developing countries rather than the likes of over here.


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    #43
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,664 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I agree about the cheap sub-100 Androids being practically useless and the urge to smash rises rapidly with the passing minutes of using them. :p

    I've always had higher/top-end Androids since my first move to the platform with the HTC Desire (iPhone never appealed to me). Since then I've had a Desire HD, Galaxy S2, Galaxy Note, Note 2, all of which are (or were) excellent phones.
    I've also rooted each one and loaded more Custom ROMs than I can remember and tweaked every option I could.

    But y'know what? I'm bored with it! :eek: I don't play games on it, not a Facebook/twitter fan, and as I work in IT/former nerd I'm rarely more than 10 feet from a laptop so web-browsing on my phone is pretty low too.

    So this week I've started trialling a Lumia 920 as my primary phone. Our users in the office use WP and while I initially was not a fan of WP7, since WP8 and decent hardware like the Lumia and Ativ S came on the market I've become more impressed with it. It just works, flies along (whereas even my Note 2 lags on stuff like the Contacts app), and I like the idea of having my primary desktop OS, mobile and gaming platform (thinking about an XBox One after Christmas) being linked together which is what MS are trying to do. Whether they'll pull it off is another thing of course!

    Like I said in that thread I linked to, what I want is a seamless link between my desktop/laptop, mobile and console that allows me to access all the information on any of these devices. Apple are possibly part-way there with the Mac and iPhone, but Google really only has phones and tablets (which are really just bigger phones without the phone part!) so MS has a big edge here if they could take advantage of it.

    I'm not an MS fanboy incidentally. Like I said I've had great experiences with Android and I use MS products daily too, but long-term I think it does make sense to unify these different devices rather than users maintaining two/three different ecosystems that will never fully integrate (for obvious marketing and licensing reasons). If Google came out with a true Windows Desktop competitor then I'd look at that too.

    But that's just me :)


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