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possible link central heating systems and soaring disease rates

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    #92
    tonyroc
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭tonyroc


    DGOBS wrote: »
    A) you assumed it was a he?
    B) I don't need to ring Trim
    C) Cigarettes have killed huge numbers
    D) the small chance seems to be millions to one
    E) even pasteurization of milk uses a temp of 70degs, the temperature in a central heating system kills all the nasty microbes on a daily basis
    F) the microbiologist thinks your a misguided nut (not my words)
    G) at this point I will stop feeding the troll, as it doesn't listen to any professional, just makeshis own mind up

    Go have a beer, take a deep breath, and always remember, a closed mouth gathers no foot



    I bow my head to your knowledge with some words of caution
    "nature is always a strange beast and should never be taken for granted because if there is a way to survive it will always find it"

    Is it not also a sad reflection in our society that by asking a question one is deemed a nut."not my words"


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    #93
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    tonyroc wrote: »
    i think this thread can be closed
    Finally some sense


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    #94
    tonyroc
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭tonyroc


    DGOBS wrote: »
    Tony, I beg to differ, EHOs DO have a remit to test at the outlet in houses connected to the public supply, I know ths as one called here about a year back to do so...........you can't contradict that!

    Also, spoke at length with a water microbiologist over the weekend, who said he chance of what you claim is so small, and even then the outcome of more than an upset tummy is so small that its not really worth thinking about.

    he or typo the


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    #95
    gifted
    Registered Users Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭gifted


    Ah FFS, just got me popcorn :mad:


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    #96
    corkgsxr
    Registered Users Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭corkgsxr


    Had a nice one this morning with a auto filler. Expansion vessel kaput so safety leaking. Auto filler left on. Minus 3 last night plugged the dripping pipe off safety. Pressure built up untill.....

    His radiator actually exploded. Huge bulge and spraying water at 1bar.

    Thought he was exaggerating an it was gonna be a pinhole.


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    #97
    Dtp79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    corkgsxr wrote: »
    Had a nice one this morning with a auto filler. Expansion vessel kaput so safety leaking. Auto filler left on. Minus 3 last night plugged the dripping pipe off safety. Pressure built up untill.....

    His radiator actually exploded. Huge bulge and spraying water at 1bar.

    Thought he was exaggerating an it was gonna be a pinhole.
    No pic????


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    #98
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tonyroc wrote: »

    Is it not also a sad reflection in our society that by asking a question one is deemed a nut."not my words"

    It's not the question your having problems with as everyone has agreed with your points on the need to improve things to prevent back flow it's the other points where things went wrong or right if your trolling:eek: but look on the bright side your still alive after your near death experience with the shower:D



    tonyroc wrote: »
    I could have killed myself in the shower 4 days ago i just don't know yet
    tonyroc wrote: »
    If the plumbers out there don't speak up they are as bad as the murders that put them in .
    tonyroc wrote: »
    50,000 died from the plague in Dublin alone they burned the bodies but where did they bury them ? he soil could still be contaminated .
    tonyroc wrote: »
    By the way went scoil na nog ,Glanmire ,won county under 14 medal when eleven with them, they said would send on medal still waiting ,

    tonyroc wrote: »
     your not a country boy then go into any field in the summer and look at a cow,horse,sheep, in cites horses,dogs,and cats pooh they will have one thing in common flies walking all over it, then same flies dies or walks in pipe,dung Beatle and other insects ,small rodents mice i have seen  rats climb through a hole the size €2 coin
    tonyroc wrote: »

    Plumbers and most building workers plus farmers have strong immune systems because of constant contact with bacteria but most of the rest of population don't.One example of this India snake charmers can become immune to snake venom


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    #99
    corkgsxr
    Registered Users Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭corkgsxr


    Dtp79 wrote: »
    No pic????

    I'll be back later in the week ill get one.


    He's lucky he didnt get the plague off the water


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    #100
    tonyroc
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭tonyroc


    i would just like to say tks to DGOBS for making an effort and using his time to give me the answer i was looking for, i am now 99.99% convinced . I'm just hard to pls

    I will sleep alot better tonight but i wont have that drink.Off it over 2 yrs now and the world is a safer place with me sober
    Don't take offence but i would be happier if i knew that they had tested the water in a shower where a semi sealed system was installed like mine in pic .I suppose i can get that done myself .i was not trolling "had to look that up" i was genuinely worried.This has been on my mind since mid jan.

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    one last question pls .
    would the semi sealed systems like mine be better off left alone or changed.
    :o


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    #101
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tonyroc wrote: »
    i would just like to say tks to DGOBS for making an effort and using his time to give me the answer i was looking for, i am now 99.99% convinced . I'm just hard to pls

    I will sleep alot better tonight but i wont have that drink.Off it over 2 yrs now and the world is a safer place with me sober
    Don't take offence but i would be happier if i knew that they had tested the water in a shower where a semi sealed system was installed like mine in pic .I suppose i can get that done myself .i was not trolling "had to look that up" i was genuinely worried.This has been on my mind since mid jan.

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    one last question pls .
    would the semi sealed systems like mine be better off left alone or changed.
    :o



    Change it.

    Semi sealed systems are a curse on humanity(not that I'm trying to worry you) and whoever invented it should be taken outside and given a bloody good kicking.

    As most boilers have the low pressure safety switch cut out :eek:to allow the boiler to fire at the lower system pressures of semi sealed system, you can get problems if you run out of water due to the cold feed being turned off(as in your pick) or the non return valve sticks then you could damage the boiler, the thing that has been forgotten is no valve is allowed between the tank and the boiler:confused:

    The only designs I would recommend is a open system or sealed system with a filling loop;) anything else is cack.


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    #102
    tonyroc
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭tonyroc


    gary71 wrote: »
    Change it.

    Semi sealed systems are a curse on humanity(not that I'm trying to worry you) and whoever invented it should be taken outside and given a bloody good kicking.

    As most boilers have the low pressure safety switch cut out :eek:to allow the boiler to fire at the lower system pressures of semi sealed system, you can get problems if you run out of water due to the cold feed being turned off(as in your pick) or the non return valve sticks then you could damage the boiler, the thing that has been forgotten is no valve is allowed between the tank and the boiler:confused:

    The only designs I would recommend is a open system or sealed system with a filling loop;) anything else is cack.

    TKS i changed mine to sealed when i spotted it in January just wondered was i wrong about that too before i face the neighbours again .
    Tony roc sometimes a well intentioned and misguided fool


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    #103
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    tonyroc wrote: »
    Tony roc sometimes a well intentioned and misguided fool

    All is forgiven.
    Everybody: Group hug please.....


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    #104
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    shane0007 wrote: »
    All is forgiven.
    Everybody: Group hug please.....

    Jesus Shane, i bet you've mistaken the Viagra again for the Valium:eek:


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    #105
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    Nah, just sharing my love. I told you it's the new me! I'm a lover now, not a fighter!


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    #106
    DoneDL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭DoneDL


    Why is this thread still open ????


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    #107
    shane0007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭shane0007


    DoneDL wrote: »
    Why is this thread still open ????

    Because this thread is like therapy. We are not at the closure stage yet. We have gone through curiosity, confusion, anger, submission, acceptance, we are now on love emotions. Closure will come with time.:D


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    #108
    Robbie.G
    Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭Robbie.G


    shane0007 wrote: »

    Because this thread is like therapy. We are not at the closure stage yet. We have gone through curiosity, confusion, anger, submission, acceptance, we are now on love emotions. Closure will come with time.:D
    Do the mods know that someone must have hacked Shane's account this couldn't be the Shane we all know


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    #109
    TPM
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭TPM


    I think this cold weather has got to him:D


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    #110
    tonyroc
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭tonyroc


    TPM wrote: »
    I think this cold weather has got to him:D

    are you ever going to answer that question?


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    #111
    TPM
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭TPM


    tonyroc wrote: »
    are you ever going to answer that question?

    that comment was for shane, he is being very nice to us all since the cold weather came.

    this one?
    tonyroc wrote: »
    Based on your post it is obvious that you know there is a problem. Taking this into account and looking back over the last 15yrs where lack of proper regs led to systems being fitted which at that time were compliment but based on what is known now is there any chance at all that there could be a link .Even a 1% chance represents a significant Risk?

    remember disease are soaring 2004 one disease 61cases 2011 same disease 272case this is only 1 water bourne disease 2 more follow the same climb . Influenza is also showing major increase patient symptoms similar to legenaires some times these cross over

    I do think there is a problem with how automatic top up valves are fitted and used.
    The temperatures heating systems generally run at kill most bacteria including legionella with in 1/2 an hour, add this to the volume of water that would possibly pass from a heating system to the mains (taking into account the relevant pressures) and taking this(possibly steralised albeit black water) as a percentage volume of the mains which contains chlorine I wouldnt think of it as a significant risk. this said I do agree that it is one of many issues in domestic plumbing that needs to be addressed.

    Personally I currently see incorrect installations of solid fuel boilers the most significant and underestimated health risk in domestic plumbing/heating.

    Some of these installations are literally death traps, between incorrect plumbing resulting in possible boiler explosions, scalding risks from overheated hot cylinders, scalding risks from boil over from expansion tanks or injury caused by ceiling collapse by the same.

    risk of carbon monoxide poisoning due to flue installation, poor ventilation, extract fans in the same room as the appliance.

    we all have encountered issues that drive us mad.

    Basically every plumber that has posted on this thread has agreed with you about the problem with automatic top up valves and heating water entering the mains water system. but they are also the plumbers that know the problem is due to incorrect installations that do not meet the regulations, and these plumbers also inform the householder and recommend fixing it.

    And the "plumbers" that have and always will carry out bad work will continue to do so untill the whole plumbing industry is regulated and inspected, but this isnt going to happen soon when there has been no regulation of the whole construction industry ever.
    We live in hope but untill pigs fly we just keep carrying out work corectly, safely and to meet the most recent regulations.

    IMO this thread has ran its course and I for one wont be posting in it again


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    #112
    Joey the lips
    Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    To be honest there is multiple guilt in this thread. You either make a point or dispute a point. You dont give sass or it can be seen as bullying.

    I agree its run its course though. Thanks for all the positive contrabution and i am sorry op it has not got the response you wished for. Just means your in the minority not necessarilary wrong.


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