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BonnieSituation · 24-05-2017 12:55pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Those streets are wide enough to allow for traffic to stop with out blocking the Luas. There is just about enough room to run 2 lines down Malborough St.

That as it may be but in these instances, all things being equal, Public Transport should get priority.

I found the EIS. Killer on that original website to wade through. Currently reading the "alternative routes"

Option D (Routing down Marlborough) would have required partial demolition of Abbey. Though, that would easily have been moved as has been planned for years. I fact, Luas would probably have made it happen finally!

Route Alternatives start on page 51: http://www.dublinluasbroombridge.ie/Downloads/EIS/BXD_EIS_Book_1/Luas%20Broombridge_EIS_Book_1_Part_1_(Chapters_1-7).pdf

loyatemu · 24-05-2017 12:56pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Those streets are wide enough to allow for traffic to stop with out blocking the Luas. There is just about enough room to run 2 lines down Malborough St.

no different from Mayor St/Georges Dock then.

LeinsterDub · 24-05-2017 1:17pm

loyatemu wrote: »

no different from Mayor St/Georges Dock then.

Mayor St has a public road on it

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3492454,-6.2425705,3a,75y,149.57h,62.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srJhNAFvOtLch9K5xZF5Tog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

And even then it's tight.

George's dock is essentially one long clearway with an spillway for traffic either end and both have loading bays.

It was a considered route so there is a way to make it work but l think the current routing is best

BonnieSituation · 24-05-2017 2:22pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Mayor St has a public road on it

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3492454,-6.2425705,3a,75y,149.57h,62.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srJhNAFvOtLch9K5xZF5Tog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

And even then it's tight.

George's dock is essentially one long clearway with an spillway for traffic either end and both have loading bays.

It was a considered route so there is a way to make it work but l think the current routing is best

I just fail to see the reasoning of ripping up OCS as has been done and the disruption coupled with other issues that will arrive re demonstrations, rallies, parades in future.

A subsequent turnabout loop on Parnell Sq S, W, N and E could have been managed also. (taking other things into consideration such as hospital access etc.)

But anyway, good to see it was considered even though I disagree with the eventual option chosen.

LeinsterDub · 08-06-2017 12:30pm

Major progress around St Stephen's Green. I'd say not much more than a month left

LXFlyer · 08-06-2017 12:34pm

Gauge test is supposed to be on the weekend of 17th/18th June.

LeinsterDub · 08-06-2017 12:50pm

lxflyer wrote: »

Gauge test is supposed to be on the weekend of 17th/18th June.

Really ? Still what look to be track works on going at Stephen's Green and the Broadstone.

LXFlyer · 08-06-2017 1:14pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Really ? Still what look to be track works on going at Stephen's Green and the Broadstone.

Most of the work at SSG is on the turnback siding - that can be tested later if needs be.

BonnieSituation · 08-06-2017 1:56pm

Also platforms have to be lengthened at some stations

LeinsterDub · 08-06-2017 2:12pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Also platforms have to be lengthened at some stations

Isn't the work completed?

MJohnston · 08-06-2017 2:19pm

I think the platform extensions are done, but it wouldn't preclude gauge testing anyway, as they are non-disruptive upgrades.

LXFlyer · 08-06-2017 2:31pm

MJohnston wrote: »

I think the platform extensions are done, but it wouldn't preclude gauge testing anyway, as they are non-disruptive upgrades.

Working on Windy Arbour currently.

jamo2oo9 · 08-06-2017 5:50pm

Are they lengthening the platforms on both lines or just the green line?

Stephen15 · 08-06-2017 5:54pm

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Are they lengthening the platforms on both lines or just the green line?

Just the green line as its the only line getting extended and getting the new 54m trams

Peregrine · 08-06-2017 5:58pm

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Are they lengthening the platforms on both lines or just the green line?

Just the Green Line.

All Red Line trams are 40m and I'm fairly sure the platforms are no longer than 40m. Maybe 43m.

Van.Bosch · 08-06-2017 7:35pm

For a guage test do they run a tram down or some piece of kit to check the gauge?

markpb · 08-06-2017 7:58pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

For a guage test do they run a tram down or some piece of kit to check the gauge?

"In mid-June, there will be a gauge run", she said. "We will run a tram from St Stephen's Green at walking pace, with people from Transdev (the operator), the contractors, gardaí and Dublin City Council running diagnostics. It will take between 12 and 14 hours.

"We have to check every single inch of the route from the perspective of the driver, checking signalling, and how the tram physically moves through the city. Another tram may also run in the opposite direction."

Independent

Here and here show how it was done in LA recenty.

LeinsterDub · 08-06-2017 8:58pm

Deedsie wrote: »

I walked Stephens Green down to Dawson today and there looks to be very little left to be done.

As did I. As I said they are still working on the tracks there

lateconnection · 09-06-2017 12:01am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Isn't the work completed?

As of this evening, this is the status of the platform extension works. Some are completed, some ongoing, and some have not started yet:

St Stephen's Green: Platform extensions complete, new sections of both platforms open to public and being used by trams.

Harcourt stop: Platform extensions complete, new sections of both platforms open to public and being used by trams.

Charlemont stop: Platform extensions complete, new sections of both platforms not yet open to public and not being used by trams yet.

Ranelagh stop: Platform extensions nearing completion, new sections not open to public yet and not being used by trams.

Beechwood stop: Platform extension work ongoing, mainly clearing shrubs at the moment.

Cowper stop: Platform extensions complete, new sections of platforms not yet open to public and not yet being used by trams.

Milltown stop: Platform extensions complete, new sections of platforms open to public and being used by trams.

Windy Arbour stop: Platform extension works ongoing, concrete poured, not fully completed.

Dundrum stop: Works have not started yet.

Balally stop: Works have not started yet.

Kilmacud stop: Works have not started yet.

Stillorgan stop: Platform extensions complete, new sections of platforms open to public and being used by trams.

Muahahaha · 10-06-2017 12:12am

That Indo article says Broombridge to SSG will take 21 minutes. Pretty sure the operators had said 26 minutes a good while back.

Was thinking too that the section from Trinity to Dawson St. is highly likely to be clogged with taxis at night time, as is much of that area already . I would imagine taxis will be banned from this section after slowing down tram journeys over the busy Xmas period.

Stephen15 · 10-06-2017 12:22am

Muahahaha wrote: »

That Indo article says Broombridge to SSG will take 21 minutes. Pretty sure the operators had said 26 minutes a good while back.

So thats basically an hour from Brides Glen to Broombridge which isin't too bad really.

markpb · 13-06-2017 11:11am

First test this weekend.

This Saturday 17 June, the people of Dublin will see an unusual sight as a Luas tram travels very, very slowly around the city centre, as all manner of tests take place on the new tracks. Luas Cross City spokesperson Grainne Mackin told TheJournal.ie that this will be the first “gauge run” to make sure the new tracks work correctly. Two trams will be taken off the Red Line and placed on the new line between St Stephen’s Green and Broadstone in Phibsboro. Mackin said: “The trains are set to go at walking pace. It’ll be quite a spectacle. It’s set to go all the way through the city centre. The slow march around the city will be escorted by gardai and a number of Luas engineers. On board the tram will be just one driver, and another person relaying information from inside. At half 11, the trams will stop at O’Connell Street for a photocall with Minister for Transport Shane Ross among those in attendance. The current plan is to hold a similar test on Sunday 18 June, with the track between Broadstone and Broombridge in Cabra under the testers’ scrutiny.

So what exactly will be tested? “Every single inch of track,” said Mackin. “From the electronics to the materials to the overhead cabling. All that stuff will be tested by a range of engineers.” The spokesperson said that the engineers will even be out with measuring tape to ensure everything goes smoothly.

The Journal

Dardania · 13-06-2017 11:48am

markpb wrote: »

First test this weekend.

This Saturday 17 June, the people of Dublin will see an unusual sight as a Luas tram travels very, very slowly around the city centre, as all manner of tests take place on the new tracks. Luas Cross City spokesperson Grainne Mackin told TheJournal.ie that this will be the first “gauge run” to make sure the new tracks work correctly. Two trams will be taken off the Red Line and placed on the new line between St Stephen’s Green and Broadstone in Phibsboro. Mackin said: “The trains are set to go at walking pace. It’ll be quite a spectacle. It’s set to go all the way through the city centre. The slow march around the city will be escorted by gardai and a number of Luas engineers. On board the tram will be just one driver, and another person relaying information from inside. At half 11, the trams will stop at O’Connell Street for a photocall with Minister for Transport Shane Ross among those in attendance. The current plan is to hold a similar test on Sunday 18 June, with the track between Broadstone and Broombridge in Cabra under the testers’ scrutiny.

So what exactly will be tested? “Every single inch of track,” said Mackin. “From the electronics to the materials to the overhead cabling. All that stuff will be tested by a range of engineers.” The spokesperson said that the engineers will even be out with measuring tape to ensure everything goes smoothly.

The Journal

Great news!

Hopefully they also listen for odd scraping noises....

MrMorooka · 13-06-2017 12:05pm

I'm surprised they're ready for that already, it still looks to me like there is tarmac over some the tracks and traffic lanes/pedestrian paths over some track sections. I don't see a full right of way for trams available yet.

wakka12 · 13-06-2017 12:27pm

markpb wrote: »

First test this weekend.

The Journal

Is opening still scheduled for winter 2018 or is it earlier now?

markpb · 13-06-2017 12:34pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Is opening still scheduled for winter 2018 or is it earlier now?

This December.

Peregrine · 13-06-2017 12:39pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Is opening still scheduled for winter 2018 or is it earlier now?

It was never winter 2018. December 2017 is the scheduled commissioning date.

trellheim · 13-06-2017 1:01pm

I asked DCC when the actual BXD traffic restrictions would kick in and no answer could be given

Chivito550 · 13-06-2017 1:29pm

Any chance for a photo opportunity and Shane Ross is there, even though he has had f&€k all to do with LUAS.

LXFlyer · 13-06-2017 2:07pm

trellheim wrote: »

I asked DCC when the actual BXD traffic restrictions would kick in and no answer could be given

I doubt that any changes will happen until August/September.

That's when the new bus lanes come into force on the Quays and I'd imagine they'll go with a soft launch - in other words leave a College Green as is initially before they change the buses around.

The official line on College Green is that they're waiting the ABP decision but I suspect that there will have to be changes before that is arrived at - full testing of trams will start I would imagine in September and that's when the changes will have to happen.

After that I suspect there will be numerous changes until a final service pattern is arrived at that is workable.

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