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    #62
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Confab wrote: »
    With respect, that's why we're in this mess in the first place. However, there is an argument to say that because everyone has to spend money, spending generates VAT and duty revenues, so thy're still paying tax. Hell, even dole recipients pay 21% tax.
    It has nothing to do with this mess we're in. We're talking about small one off jobs where the bureaucracy of taxing the job would probably cost more than the tax they took in.

    The reason we're in this mess is because of the government and bankers and your trying to guilt people who are keeping a few euros out of their coffers so they can't throw it into the magical bank debt that we owe to banks that have no money yet are loaning us money to bail themselves out.

    People are dead right to keep this government out of their lives as much as possible, I begrudge giving the government any tax money, I think it's a complete waste of time.


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    #63
    jester77
    Registered Users Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    It all ends up going towards tax anyway. If I pay someone €100 cash in hand for a job, he will spend that €100 on food, supplies, etc. Some of that will go towards tax. And these suppliers will use the remaining to pay their suppliers and staff, which also leads to more of that €100 going towards tax... and so on the chain continues until the government eventually have the €100... so it's a no win-situation either way and the government are laughing their way to the bank.... oh wait


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    #64
    enda1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    Another good reason why cash should be gotten rid of in society!

    The amount of fraud having to be covered by the PAYE worker is shocking. I wonder what percentage of their tax goes on covering the holes in the VAT, income tax and dodgy social welfare payments.

    I hate the justification that "I'm only taking from the government". Well who the fuck do you think the government then takes from?

    Ridiculous.


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    #65
    enda1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    jester77 wrote: »
    It all ends up going towards tax anyway. If I pay someone €100 cash in hand for a job, he will spend that €100 on food, supplies, etc. Some of that will go towards tax. And these suppliers will use the remaining to pay their suppliers and staff, which also leads to more of that €100 going towards tax... and so on the chain continues until the government eventually have the €100... so it's a no win-situation either way and the government are laughing their way to the bank.... oh wait

    I think you need to read up again on how national economies work.


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    #66
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,583 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    kingofthe3rdyrs wrote: »
    Online shopping?

    Online shopping, online working, online everything?

    He won't be able to use any vehicle again on a public road and he wont be able to use public transport as that's subsidised by....our taxes.

    And with regards to private heath insurance; part of medical bills for non-elective medical treatments is paid for by public coffers. The health insurance is a top up.


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    #67
    K-9
    Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Each time a cash in hand job takes place, a little puppy dies.:(

    She will not take cheques or laser. Awh right!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #68
    bonzos
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭bonzos


    There is not much incentive for your average householder not to pay cash...EG. Tradesman comes into your house to do a job costing €100,you have choice for paying him €100(cash) or €113.5(inc. VAT)..most people cant claim the VAT back so you paying €13.5 extra! Money is tight at the moment for most people(unless your cocooned from reality like most of our politicians who earn €100k+ a year)so you cant blame people for asking/paying cash.


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    #69
    Eoin
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 21,238 CMod ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Well, I would expect to pay less than €100 if they're not putting it through the books.


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    #70
    Abrasax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Abrasax


    eoin wrote: »
    Tax evasion is absolutely endemic in Greece. It's not taboo or even frowned upon.

    The Greeks fiddled. Athens burned.


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