[fred funk }{]

Originally Posted by Victor

I thought this thread was about water charges. :)Realise that boiling water reduces the dissolved oxygen to zero.

http://disc.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/oceanc...1_image001.jpg

One kettle of water brings a 25 litre container up to about the correct temperature. That won't make any difference to the oxygene levels in the tank when it goes in. Then there's also the tank itself, which will re-oxygenate it anyway. But it's a good point anyhow.

[kylith]

Originally Posted by fred funk }{

How do you manage that?

My big tank is only 120L, and is currently situated in my bathroom so I don't have to carry buckets far.

[buzz]

I have a 25L drum which is I syphon water into every week, chuck it in the bath (misses goes crazy about pleco poo) Then refill it with warm water from bath tap, drop a airstone in for 20 mins and add API stress coat. Check the temp to make sure its same as tank, shake it around for a min and then slowly add to tank.

I find it insane that people would add tap water directly to a tank. Defeats the purpose really? Even adding conditioner after water goes in would surely be too late? ie it would of already killed some or all bacteria?

[Degsy]

Originally Posted by buzz

I have a 25L drum which is I syphon water into every week, chuck it in the bath (misses goes crazy about pleco poo) Then refill it with warm water from bath tap, drop a airstone in for 20 mins and add API stress coat. Check the temp to make sure its same as tank, shake it around for a min and then slowly add to tank.

I find it insane that people would add tap water directly to a tank. Defeats the purpose really? Even adding conditioner after water goes in would surely be too late? ie it would of already killed some or all bacteria?

I've been topping up with tapwater for over a year now when i do water changes and its had no deterimental effect on my fish whatsoever.

IMO the "damaging" effects of a small amount of untreated tapwater are overstated and overrated...20% tapwater is NOT going to kill your tanks bacteria.

[m4r10]

I believe the bad tap water hysteria was started by the same companies which are producing all the chemicals to make the water "safe" for fish use. I never used any conditioner on the water, just fill the bin a day before the w/c, bring it to temp with a few boiled kettles and let the pump on for an hour or so while I clean the tank and never had any mass death which could be related to chemicals in the tap water.

[fred funk }{]

Originally Posted by Degsy

I've been topping up with tapwater for over a year now when i do water changes and its had no deterimental effect on my fish whatsoever.

IMO the "damaging" effects of a small amount of untreated tapwater are overstated and overrated...20% tapwater is NOT going to kill your tanks bacteria.

That depends totally on how much chlorine is in the 20%. I for one don't know how much chlorine it takes to kill all of the bacteria in the tank. One thing for sure, is that it certainly kills some of it and I'm not going to knowingly kill a part of the ecosystem in the tank at every water change.

You can successfully keep fish without a filter, once enough water is changed to keep the amonnia levels down so maybe you have no bateria at all and the fish are still alive because of your regular water changes.

[fred funk }{]

Originally Posted by m4r10

I believe the bad tap water hysteria was started by the same companies which are producing all the chemicals to make the water "safe" for fish use. I never used any conditioner on the water, just fill the bin a day before the w/c, bring it to temp with a few boiled kettles and let the pump on for an hour or so while I clean the tank and never had any mass death which could be related to chemicals in the tap water.

Chlorine is a gas so it will dissipate fairly quickly from water especially with an air stone.

[campo]

I get my water directly from pet store so siphon out the water I then add Nutrafin Cycle to the pet store water and add that in directly

have no 3 water changes so far and no loss of fish

[Sleepy]

If you're buying RO water, surely there's no need for any conditioner?

[campo]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

If you're buying RO water, surely there's no need for any conditioner?

I figure it cant do any harm though eitheir , I do worry that I never warm the water up but it does not seem to bother the fish and within a couple of hours it as at same heat anyway

PS
Pet store give me the water for free

[Sleepy]

I'd be wary of the "can't do any harm" mentality when it comes to adding chemicals to your tank.

Nutrafin Cycle is one of those "get your filter bacteria started uber quickly" products isn't it? Surely that's completely unnecessary in a cycled tank? The bacteria would be in your filter media and substrate etc. rather than in the water you're removing.

[campo]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

I'd be wary of the "can't do any harm" mentality when it comes to adding chemicals to your tank.

Nutrafin Cycle is one of those "get your filter bacteria started uber quickly" products isn't it? Surely that's completely unnecessary in a cycled tank? The bacteria would be in your filter media and substrate etc. rather than in the water you're removing.

ya but pet store guy recommended it for when doing water changes I also add a little bit of prime to the water , been honest as a newbie I am putting my full trust in this guy but so far he has not let me down

[Sleepy]

What's the Pet Store? TBH, most know jack-sh1t about fish-keeping.

If the water has been Reverse Osmosis (RO) filtered, there's zero need for any conditioner (Prime) or filter boost (Nutrafin Cycle).

How long have you had the tank running? Did you do a fishless cycle before adding anything to the tank?

[campo]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

What's the Pet Store? TBH, most know jack-sh1t about fish-keeping.

If the water has been Reverse Osmosis (RO) filtered, there's zero need for any conditioner (Prime) or filter boost (Nutrafin Cycle).

How long have you had the tank running? Did you do a fishless cycle before adding anything to the tank?

Petstore is underwater world in Limerick

I cycled tank fishless for 2 weeks ( did use nutrafin cycle and prime during cycle ) and it is running now maybe a further 3 weeks with fish and so far so good ( altough I have noticed I can never see my betta during the day and then night comes and seems to appear out of nowhere )

[m4r10]

Originally Posted by fred funk }{

Chlorine is a gas so it will dissipate fairly quickly from water especially with an air stone.

That's the only reason I let the water stay in the bin for 24 hours, I'm not concerned with the other "harmful" elements. If it's good enough for me to drink it, that it should do for my fish as well.