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What would you do if you found out God existed?
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Yeah, mutate, damn autocorrect
It has indeed been documented that far back, but it certainly didn't affect one in three like today. He created it knowing cells would mutate, yes, but if he didn't then he would have made us immortal. That wasn't really a goal, either.
Our world can't really sustain itself without diseases such as cancer and aids. We're overpopulated as it is, and they are an excellent way of culling our population. I know that sounds incredibly heartless, but it's the truth. And if some diseases weren't congenital and contagious, they wouldn't spread as easily and therefore we wouldn't cull the population as efficiently as we do now.
A God may be doing a great thing for the common good by having a world with disease and decay. Without them, we would run out of resources and all probably die. Some dying is better than all.
So you don't think god's omnipotent, then? He would not have been able to create a self-sustaining world without inflicting enormous suffering on its inhabitants?
What's the point of worshipping him, then, if he clearly is unable to help?0 -
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Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »And yet he chooses not to show himself unless it's on a slice of toast.
Mysterious ways.....
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One eyed Jack wrote: »Jesus how many more times with that Stephen fcuking Fry quote?
Not directed at you personally jaffa but it's about the third or fourth time in just this thread alone that quotes been posted, and it doesn't make the people who quote it sound clever, it makes them sound like mocking birds, and it doesn't make Stephen Fry sound clever, it just makes him sound bitter. So if you want to sound bitter but can't quite articulate your bitterness in a way that makes you sound like a clever and witty intellectual, well, I suppose the Stephen Fry quote is useful, and that's about the extent of it's usefulness. It's a bitter little rant more than it is any sort of intellectual marker on humanity.
I do not think anyone is trying to "sound clever" by quoting others. It is a very good quote and sums up what alot of people would feel if confronted with the reality of a god.
As for it being a bitter rant, how could you not be bitter as through no fault of his own, Mr Fry is homosexual and many religions have decreed he is not fit to a place at gods side.
Perhaps some Hitchens might be more suiting to your palate
Friel plays a game of “What if?” with Hitchens. Below is my condensed paraphrase:Friel: “What if God exists, and what if he has provided everything for you… life, health, food, trees, royalties… would he not have been good to you?”- See more at: http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=1560#sthash.eANnFOPO.dpuf
Hitchens: “No. If that were true, I would have an eternal supervising parent who would never let me get on with my life, never let me grow up, and constantly be asking me to thank and praise him. It would be like living in North Korea and having to continuously praise the ‘Dear Leader.’ I think it’s servile.”
Friel: “If God created you and provides everything for you, does he have rights on your life?”
Hitchens: “No. I don’t accept anyone’s right to own me. I created my children and provide for them, but I don’t own them. Besides, would this mean that the sick and starving for whom God has not provided are not owned by God?”
Friel: “Um… next question… does religion really poison everything?”
Hitchens: “Yes. If I am someone’s slave, that ruins everything. The Bible calls for slavery and genocide, too, but that doesn’t make it right.”
Friel: “What if there’s a judgment day? How would you measure up to the Ten Commandments?”
Hitchens: “The first commandments are about pandering to God’s jealous and self-esteem. I’ve never obeyed those and don’t think anyone should. Same for the Sabbath. Murder, thefy, and lying… I don’t need a Bible to tell me those are wrong. As for honoring parents, it depends how well they treat me. And unfortunately the Ten Commandments do not prohibit child abuse, slavery, or genocide. Coveting, though, is a good thing because it leads to innovation. It’s good to want things, but of course not good to steal them.”
Friel: “Have you ever been angry, which is committing murder in your heart?”
Hitchens: “Yes, many times.”
Friel: “Have you ever lusted?”
Hitchens: “All the time.”
Friel: “Have you ever committed adultery?”
Hitchens: “None of your ****ing business.”
Friel: “So if God saw you committing all these sins, would he send you to heaven or hell?”
Hitchens: “Not heaven, I hope. An eternity of praise and groveling and thanksgiving would be my idea of hell.”
Friel: “But if you’ve broken the Ten Commands, you’d be going to hell, right?”
Hitchens: “Not by the God of the Old Testament, no. There is no hell in the Old Testament. The idea of eternal torture of the dead for minor infractions doesn’t arrive until Jesus meek and mild.”
Friel: “What if it’s true that Jesus died on a cross to save your sins? Isn’t that the ultimate act of kindness?”
Hitchens: “No. I didn’t ask for a human sacrifice and don’t want it. I would’ve tried to stop it. It’s barbaric. I don’t want anybody to immolate themself for me. And I’m not bound by it. It’s an act of extreme presumption to say that ‘What I’m doing now binds millions of unborn children and takes away their freedom.’ It’s a tyrannical act.”
Friel: “Is it possible the reason you rage against God is that you want to live your own autonomous life?”
Hitchens: “That’s highly probable, yes.”0 -
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