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Tragic yet worrying scenes in waterford last night

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    Little CuChulainn
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    Is it saying they went to attack the Garda in his home and one of them ended up dead? Doesn't sound very tragic to me.


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    lighterman
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Is it saying they went to attack the Garda in his home and one of them ended up dead? Doesn't sound very tragic to me.

    That's what it sounds like. tragic in the sense that a 14/16 year old (depending on what report you read) has lost his life. worrying in the sense that a serious incident occurred in a guards own home.


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    Little CuChulainn
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    lighterman wrote: »
    That's what it sounds like. tragic in the sense that a 14/16 year old (depending on what report you read) has lost his life. worrying in the sense that a serious incident occurred in their own home.

    A 14/16 year old who was involved in a home invasion. If that's the case, I don't find his death at all tragic. What's tragic is that we have a society that raises such animals.


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    lighterman
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    A 14/16 year old who was involved in a home invasion. If that's the case, I don't find his death at all tragic. What's tragic is that we have a society that raises such animals.

    Ok


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    Dermot Illogical
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    A 14/16 year old who was involved in a home invasion. If that's the case, I don't find his death at all tragic. What's tragic is that we have a society that raises such animals.

    I do find it tragic. Obviously we can't take media reports as being accurate...they never are, so this could be anything from a kid with a couple of beers on board doing something stupid right up to a scumbag out to do real damage. One end of that scale would be tragic.

    As SF (Yay! We get to attack the police again!), FF (Yay! An issue that isn't the economy!) and various crackpots are having a field day attacking AGS every day, it's only a matter of time before the local 'intelligentsia' join in.


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    Little CuChulainn
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    Dermot Illogical wrote: »
    I do find it tragic. Obviously we can't take media reports as being accurate...they never are, so this could be anything from a kid with a couple of beers on board doing something stupid right up to a scumbag out to do real damage. One end of that scale would be tragic.

    As SF (Yay! We get to attack the police again!), FF (Yay! An issue that isn't the economy!) and various crackpots are having a field day attacking AGS every day, it's only a matter of time before the local 'intelligentsia' join in.

    I just don't find the death automatically tragic. I wouldn't wish death on anyone but they could have easily killed the person they attacked, so I won't shed any tears for him if what has been reported so far is correct.


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    emo72
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    The little I heard, it was some kids throwing bottles at the house also the gard got hit. Doesn't sound like a home invasion. You don't invade homes by throwing bottles at it first. It absolutely sounds tragic. And I'd say the gard is more upset by what happened the kid. Kids shouldn't be going round throwing bottles at anything or anyone. It seems like a tragic accident.


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    enda1
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    A 14/16 year old who was involved in a home invasion. If that's the case, I don't find his death at all tragic. What's tragic is that we have a society that raises such animals.

    This was in Waterford not Detroit!


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    Nino Brown
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    Dermot Illogical wrote: »
    this could be anything from a kid with a couple of beers on board doing something stupid right up to a scumbag out to do real damage.

    Why do people in Ireland act like these are two different things?, alcohol is not an excuse for violence. If a kid goes out drinking, and bottles somebody, he is a scumbag, regardless of what he chose to consume that night.


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    TheDoctor
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    Group of idiots go round to Gardas home and start throwing bottles at it.
    Garda comes out to said idiots and gets assaulted.
    Idiots run away and one gets himself killed.
    No sympathies from me.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Stupid mistakes have serious consequences.

    Example: that neknomination death

    Any drink driving deaths.

    And so on....


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    Little CuChulainn
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    enda1 wrote: »
    This was in Waterford not Detroit!

    And? Do you think it doesn't happen here? Wether it's a home invasion, burglary or simple property damage the invasion of a persons home is breach of one of their fundamental rights and can cause serious psychological damage. Maybe if we took it a bit more serious over here it wouldn't happen so much.


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    enda1
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    And? Do you think it doesn't happen here? Wether it's a home invasion, burglary or simple property damage the invasion of a persons home is breach of one of their fundamental rights and can cause serious psychological damage. Maybe if we took it a bit more serious over here it wouldn't happen so much.

    There you go again with the invasion! :D
    don't you worry. These terrorists got what was coming to them. Maybe the other three arrested can be renditioned to a containment facility.


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    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    enda1 wrote: »
    There you go again with the invasion! :D
    don't you worry. These terrorists got what was coming to them. Maybe the other three arrested can be renditioned to a containment facility.

    Is it that you don't know what a home invasion is or do you simply object to the non-legal terminology?


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    Nino Brown
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    enda1 wrote: »
    There you go again with the invasion! :D
    don't you worry. These terrorists got what was coming to them. Maybe the other three arrested can be renditioned to a containment facility.

    What are you on about? Home invasions happen all the time in Ireland.

    Eugene Gillespie killed in a home invasion, Sligo not Detroit.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-30-jailed-for-life-for-murder-of-eugene-gillespie-67-30153301.html

    James Boyce Killed in home invasion, Limerick not Detroit
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/trial-in-murdered-limerick-pensioner-case-nears-an-end-29941739.html


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    enda1
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Is it that you don't know what a home invasion is or do you simply object to the non-legal terminology?

    I'm "objecting" to the Fox News terror alert rhetoric.
    Some kids acting the eejit got their comeuppance.


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    Little CuChulainn
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    enda1 wrote: »
    I'm "objecting" to the Fox News terror alert rhetoric.
    Some kids acting the eejit got their comeuppance.

    It's got nothing to do with terrorism.


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    TheDoctor
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    Vandalizing someones property and putting someone in hospital after assault is now classified as "acting the eejit"?

    Deary me


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    Dermot Illogical
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    Nino Brown wrote: »
    Why do people in Ireland act like these are two different things?, alcohol is not an excuse for violence. If a kid goes out drinking, and bottles somebody, he is a scumbag, regardless of what he chose to consume that night.

    Because they are very different things. If the local kids decide to have a go at my house I will not be happy. But they're only kids. As appears to be the case here they will run scared once confronted.
    On the other hand if my house is being invaded by the sort of pure evil scumbag we let out of prison too freely, then I have a lot more to worry about.
    You genuinely wouldn't see a difference?

    And nowhere did I put forward alcohol as an excuse. I mentioned it as it's hardly a leap to imagine beer is involved. There were bottles thrown. The lads weren't out drinking milk.


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    enda1
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    It's got nothing to do with terrorism.

    You don't seem to understand my point. Its the sensationalism related to the reporting. The Americanisation of news and reactions to it.


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    TheDoctor
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    Dermot Illogical wrote: »
    Because they are very different things. If the local kids decide to have a go at my house I will not be happy. But they're only kids. As appears to be the case here they will run scared once confronted.
    On the other hand if my house is being invaded by the sort of pure evil scumbag we let out of prison too freely, then I have a lot more to worry about.
    You genuinely wouldn't see a difference?

    And nowhere did I put forward alcohol as an excuse. I mentioned it as it's hardly a leap to imagine beer is involved. There were bottles thrown. The lads weren't out drinking milk.


    They were 18 year olds, lets not pretend they were "kids". They knew full well what they were doing and had no good intentions when they went to the house.


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    Nino Brown
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    Dermot Illogical wrote: »
    Because they are very different things. If the local kids decide to have a go at my house I will not be happy. But they're only kids. As appears to be the case here they will run scared once confronted.
    On the other hand if my house is being invaded by the sort of pure evil scumbag we let out of prison too freely, then I have a lot more to worry about.
    You genuinely wouldn't see a difference?

    Didn't they stab the man after being confronted? Not exactly my definition of running scared.
    And no I don't see any difference, we're not talking about throwing eggs here, when a "kid" crosses that's line and attacks somebody, they're just like any other scumbag and should be treated as such.


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    Dermot Illogical
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    TheDoctor wrote: »
    They were 18 year olds, lets not pretend they were "kids". They knew full well what they were doing and had no good intentions when they went to the house.

    It's being reported as 18 years old now, and nowhere did I say they were there to spread christmas cheer, but earlier reports had the age at 16.

    I've seen reports that vary from kids throwing bottles (breakingnews/examiner) at the house right up to adults slashing the victim (independent). Todays lesson: Don't believe the press.


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    TheDoctor
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    Apparently the group were connected to a person that was arrested the previous day

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-arrest-man-armed-with-hatchet-after-burglary-in-waterford-30269888.html

    Sounds like payback on the Guard was their motive


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    Dermot Illogical
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    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Apparently the group were connected to a person that was arrested the previous day

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-arrest-man-armed-with-hatchet-after-burglary-in-waterford-30269888.html

    Sounds like payback on the Guard was their motive

    If true, bearing in mind this is the Irish Independent that's reporting it, that would not be on the tragic end of the scale I posted earlier.


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    elguapo
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    The Irish Times article:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/teenager-dies-after-garda-assaulted-in-dungarvan-1.1798349

    "The events began after midnight when a garda superintendent confronted a group of males ranging in age from 16 to 20 years at the front of his house in Dungarvan. He went outside after his wife had heard what she thought was a bottle being thrown at the front of the property.
    Once outside, the off-duty officer became involved in a confrontation with the group and sources said he was assaulted when a bottle was thrown at the back of his head.
    He then chased the intruders and they dispersed in different directions. One of them, an 18-year-old from the locality, ran towards the nearby Sea Park area.
    It appears he was attempting to cross a river as he fled and fell, possibly sustaining injuries from a pipe or sharp implement.
    His body was later found in the water during searches of the area after the incident."


    Seems like it was a cowardly assault followed by an unfortunate accident.


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    frostyjacks
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    GSOC are earning their salt these days. Never heard of them until recently, now there never out of the news.

    'Fell on a sharp object' sounds a bit suspicious. Bit like prisoners of war shot while attempting to escape. No sympathy anyhow.


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    bravestar
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    Zero sympathy. Yet another member attacked at their own home. When will this country wake up a realise that the way they are asking AGS to do their job is outdated, unrealistic and putting the lives of members, and their families, at risk.


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    damienirel
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    This story along with yer man from love/hate getting shot in this mornings news is very depressing - this country is racing to the bottom on crime.

    2 things that would stop this nonsense:

    1. Free Legal Aid needs a massive overhaul. Lawyers that represent pond-life are pond-life themselves and need to be kept in check.

    2. Harsher sentencing especially relating to those with previous convictions.
    (The judicial merry-go-round the benefits lawyers and judges needs to stop).


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    Zulu
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    It baffles me that people are sympathetic towards this thug. Frankly my sympathy and concern lies with the Garda and his family. His wife and children must be terrified.


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