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Japanese earthquake / tsunami discussion

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 669 ✭✭✭mongoman


    Are you a global warming sceptic or something?

    Do you believe in fairy tales? Because the Sun and its solar cycles have much greater impact on our climate than mankind will ever have.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭shadowninty


    Never knew boards.ie had so many scientists on it. Y'all should publish your findings and get it peer reviewed, might take notice then as I'm no scientist, just an ordinary person who has to rely on what experts know :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭el diablo


    from Independent.ie
    Japan MP drinks water from Fukushima radioactive puddle in bid to prove plant’s safety


    Yasuhiro Sonoda, a cabinet office parliamentary secretary, drinks a water taken from a radioactive puddle from the tsunami crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant

    Tuesday November 01 2011
    A JAPANESE politician has drunk a glass of water taken from puddles inside the damaged Fukushima nuclear power plant.

    Yasuhiro Sonoda drinks a glass of decontaminated water taken from puddles inside the buildings housing reactors five and six at the Fukushima plant.

    Yasuhiro Sonoda, a Japanese MP and parliamentary spokesman for the cabinet office, drank water not normally intended for human consumption after it was scooped up from gathered pools inside Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

    The politician was visibly nervous as he gulped the water from a glass with shaking hands in a televised press conference in a bid to highlight government confidence in the efficiency of its decontamination procedures.

    Collected from beneath two reactor buildings at the plant, the water is decontaminated before being used for tasks such as watering plants, a controversial procedure which has been the subject of safety concerns in the media.

    Before drinking the water, Mr Sonoda read out a string of figures relating to its low contamination levels and explained he was drinking in response to journalists repeatedly asking him to “prove” the safety of the plant’s surrounding area.

    Speaking at the headquarter offices of Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO), operators of the plant, he added: “Just drinking (decontaminated water) doesn’t mean safety has been confirmed, I know that. Presenting data to the public is the best way.”

    Mr Sonoda’s decision to drink water from the plant is not the first time a politician has performed such a stunt in order to allay public health concerns.

    The former prime minister Naoto Kan and his chief government spokesman Yukio Edano both ate food from Fukushima prefecture following the nuclear crisis earlier this year in an attempt to reassure the public that produce from the region was safe to eat.

    Their actions echo the infamous scenario of British politician John Gummer, the former agriculture minister, who ate a hamburger along with his four-year-old daughter before gathered media in 1990 at the height of the mad cow disease scare.

    In that instance, Mr Gummer’s actions backfired as a surge in BSE cases followed along with plummeting consumer confidence in beef safety, eventually leading to a public inquiry into his handling of the crisis.

    Fukushima Power Plant was critically damaged when the March 11 earthquake struck triggering a powerful tsunami, resulting in a series of meltdowns after the facility’s crucial cooling systems were knocked out.

    Following the earthquake and tsunami, radiation was subsequently released into the surrounding atmosphere, land and sea as operators struggled to contain the worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl.

    Nearly eight months after the disaster, a 12-mile exclusion zone is still in place around the plant due to contamination while tens of thousands of residents remain relocated to temporary homes outside the region.

    Tepco, the plant operators, remain optimistic that cold shutdown will be achieved by the government target date of the end of the year, with reactors stabilised and its water no longer at boiling point.

    The government’s confidence in the plant’s recovery was in further evidence on Tuesday when it was announced that journalists would also be able to visit the plant for the first time since the disaster on November 12.

    However, full decontamination of the plant is expected to take significantly longer, with a recent preliminary report by nuclear experts stating that complete decommissioning could take as long as 30 years.

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20111102p2g00m0dm005000c.html

    While the title may say the radiation is unrelated, what the article says is that they don't know where the radiation is coming from. It reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon where, in the interests of not being the messenger who is shot, Dilbert changes his presentation from "Warning: Our product is killing people" to "Issue: Customer Safety" before finally settling on "Decline in Unsatisfied Customers"...

    A sensationalist newspaper would no doubt have focused on the fact that the levels reported officially now are 40 milliSv, about 400 times as much as the 100microSv initially reported.

    I'm sure there are better tables with varying levels of radiation on them knocking around, but here's the first one that Google yielded
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/15/radiation-exposure-levels-guide.
    It doesn't look great in any case.
    Radiation near Tokyo supermarket unrelated to Fukushima crisis


    TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A high level of radiation detected near a supermarket in Tokyo appears to be unrelated to the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, science ministry officials said Tuesday. An investigation by the ministry detected a high radiation level of around 40 millisieverts per hour near a bottle found 40 centimeters deep in the ground near the supermarket in Setagaya Ward.
    If a person were continually exposed to such a level of radiation for two and a half hours, the risk of dying from cancer would increase by 0.5 percent, the officials said.
    Although the source of the radiation has not been determined, lead and bismuth, released when radium-226 decays, were detected after workers dug into the ground, they said.
    Radium is not among the radioactive substances released by the Fukushima plant since it was crippled by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology said earlier.
    The radiation level on the surface of the ground nearby was around 1 millisievert per hour, the officials said. The exposure limit set for ordinary people is 1 millisievert per year.
    A resident reported high radiation readings in the area on Friday, prompting the ministry to take measurements, with up to 170 microsieverts per hour recorded at one spot on the surface of a pavement near the supermarket and up to 110 microsieverts per hour recorded at another spot near the shop's entrance.
    No alarming radiation levels were measured elsewhere in the area.
    High levels of radiation were also detected along a sidewalk in Setagaya Ward in October. Several dozen bottles containing radium were later found under the floor of a house nearby.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Nuclear energy.

    Subsidized by who? The public. (Private money would not build a nuclear power station due to the liabilities and slow return on investment (if any).

    Disasters and their cost in health and economic terms? Borne by the public.

    Waste that's radioactive for centuries? Public problem.

    Proliferation of radioactive material and distasteful regimes making weapons or dirty bombs? Public problem. (Cost of security)

    It's a win win for... um....

    Yay \o/ for nuke-u-lar!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Nuclear energy.

    Subsidized by who? The public. (Private money would not build a nuclear power station due to the liabilities and slow return on investment (if any).

    Disasters and their cost in health and economic terms? Borne by the public.

    Waste that's radioactive for centuries? Public problem.

    Proliferation of radioactive material and distasteful regimes making weapons or dirty bombs? Public problem. (Cost of security)

    It's a win win for... um....

    Yay \o/ for nuke-u-lar!
    increase in demand for more power by... the public.

    what's our point? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Statistician


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15691571
    New research has found that radioactive material in parts of north-eastern Japan exceeds levels considered safe for farming.

    The findings provide the first comprehensive estimates of contamination across Japan following the nuclear accident in 2011.

    Food production is likely to be affected, the researchers suggest.

    The results are reported in the Proceedings of National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) journal.

    In the wake of the accident at Japan's Fukushima nuclear power plant, radioactive isotopes were blown over Japan and its coastal waters.

    Sounds like the farmland has been ruined for decades to come.


  • Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭geetar


    please destroy this thread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭el diablo


    geetar wrote: »
    please destroy this thread.

    Why? :confused:

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    geetar wrote: »
    please destroy this thread.
    or at least change the title.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭Bobby Baccala


    el diablo wrote: »
    Why? :confused:

    +1

    What the fúck is he talking about?:p:p


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    P4DDY2K11 wrote: »
    +1

    What the fúck is he talking about?:p:p
    i imagine he's talking about seeing the thread title pop up every now and again with "Japanese earthquake / tsunami discussion. New earthquake hits. Mod warning in post #1" and thinking that there has been a new earthquake despite there having been nothing overly significant as far as earthquakes go in the last 8 months.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭TJJP


    vibe666 wrote: »
    despite there having been nothing overly significant as far as earthquakes go in the last 8 months.

    or ever?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    TJJP wrote: »
    or ever?
    no, there's been plenty.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Somnus


    The pros and cons of nuclear energy is a bit more of a fitting title at this stage though (sidenote - Fukishima) :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Title fix.
    Remember, any posts must be connected to the Japanese catastrophe




  • About 90%+ of all posts since April have been about the nuclear power plant being wrecked!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Statistician


    More problems:
    Contaminated water has leaked from a treatment system at Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant, with some potentially entering the sea, the plant's operator says.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16032975

    When will it end?
    The sea there is hugely polluted already.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭shadowninty


    Very worrying indeed, hope that they have contained the rest of it now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    About 90%+ of all posts since April have been about the nuclear power plant being wrecked!

    That's because the Fukushima powerplant is a deadly serious and ongoing invisible problem that will no doubt linger on for decades. Unlike the Tsunami the Fukushima power plant situation was /is a cover up and I doubt very much we will ever hear the full extent of the situation.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,116 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It sure seems that way but it will be hard to hold onto all the details for long. Even if most of the fine minutiae never reaches the public the incident will be dissected by energy commissions for decades and be applied to existing and future projects.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭Hal Emmerich


    Overheal wrote: »
    minutiae
    Where did you come across this word before?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Aragh, 'tis not that unusual a word.

    Anyway, enenews.com in case people need reassurance that things aren't okay...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭Hal Emmerich


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Aragh, 'tis not that unusual a word.

    Anyway, enenews.com in case people need reassurance that things aren't okay...
    There's to much use of the words potentially and possibly used in those Articles.

    Head wrecking.

    There's enough depression inducing ****e flashing up on my screen as it is without reading them...especially when there's not a thing that any of us can do about it.

    The only good thing to come from this is that Humans will get Mutant Powers alot quicker than through natural evolution with all this radiation floating around*.

    *I may be joking/talking ****e here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭el diablo


    Radiation levels in Fukushima are lower than predicted.

    www.newscientist.com
    The fallout from the radiation leak at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor in Japan may be less severe than predicted.

    Radiology researcher Ikuo Kashiwakura of Hirosaki University, Japan, and colleagues responded immediately to the disaster, travelling south to Fukushima prefecture to measure radiation levels in more than 5000 people there between 15 March and 20 June.

    They found just 10 people with unusually high levels of radiation, but those levels were still below the threshold at which acute radiation syndrome sets in and destroys the gastrointestinal tract. Geiger-counter readings categorised all others in the area at a "no contamination level".

    How did the population of Fukushima prefecture dodge the radioactivity? Gerry Thomas at Imperial College London, director of the Chernobyl Tissue Bank, says the answer is simple. "Not an awful lot [of radioactive material] got out of the plant – it was not Chernobyl." The Chernobyl nuclear disaster released 10 times as much radiation as Fukushima Daiichi.

    Rapid response

    Thomas says the quick and thorough response by the Japanese government limited radioactive exposure among the population. On 12 March, the same day as the first explosion at Fukushima Daiichi, the government ordered the evacuation of residents within 20 kilometres, and asked various institutions to begin monitoring contamination levels.

    "They had no faxes, no emails, nothing was working," says Thomas, adding that other countries might not have coped as well with a combined earthquake, tsunami and nuclear plant malfunction. "Given the circumstances, they did phenomenally."

    The Japanese authorities also removed contaminated food and gave iodine to those who were very young, she says. Radioactive iodine can contaminate the thyroid gland in the body, leading to radiation-induced cancer, but can be counteracted by introducing non-radioactive iodine into the body.

    Health researchers will have to keep an eye on radiation levels, however. "There are many 'hotspot' areas where radioactivity has accumulated locally," says Kashiwakura. This is because rainfall deposited radioactivity unevenly. "The Japanese people have a responsibility to continue research on the effect of radioactivity in humans."

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭take everything


    Looks like it's still a mess there.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/0221/1224312115686.html

    100 million litres of contaminated water (not sure if they know what to do with it).
    Decades (40 years?) before it's dismantled.
    Christ.


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